Big Dogger Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Alexander,Are you trying to understand the Trinity, or debate it?
johnny Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Tanyan writes,What do you mean wanting to know ...., you have been through this before ADINFINENTUM with us, Come on you arn't serious are you ?. I am serious ... if it has been addressed before then you should be able to find a link with this information ... thanks.This thread is about creators ... I am wondering if you believe that you can become a creator like God was in the beginning when he created the visiable and the invisiable.Do you believe you can become one of the "Gods" that created which is revealed in Mormon scripture?
Alexander Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Big Dogger wrote:Don't keep trying to logically reason out the Trinity.**Telling me not to logically reason it out is like telling me not to breathe. Why should I trust you with such things? You have me all wrong, the only one I trust is GOD and he has pointed to the Latter-day Saint position. It just so happens that the Latter-day Saint position is also the logical one.Big Dogger wrote:Is your FAITH in Christ or Joseph Smith? I know you hate to have that question posed...but who is your Savior?**I hate no such thing. Your question makes no sense for one. Latter-day Saints have faith in Jesus Christ, so do Protestants and Catholics. You question implies that we have faith in someone else with is absurd. It does not make me feel uncomfortable but it does say something about you, trying to sensationalize everything to gain the upper hand.So your initial push to describe the trinity in logical terms is smoke and mirrors than? So as cover you must try to change the topic to what I believe. I won
Alexander Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Fiat Lux wrote:We've told you that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are distinct persons. So no, obviously not. **Well Big Dogger is saying that they are the same person... but not... but the same person... but not... but whatever.
noahnoah Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 I have a question for you Big Dogger. If the Trinity is really such a mystery (A religious truth that is incomprehensible to reason and knowable only through divine revelation) than why do evangelicals, when presented with an alternative such as the Latter-day Saint viewpoint, smack their heads in disbelief and express awe in how anyone could come to an absurd conclusion. I don
noahnoah Posted December 3, 2004 Posted December 3, 2004 The vision John saw of the heavens with angels in front of the throne and Jesus taking the book out of the hand of the Father is absolute Bible proof and there just isn't any excuse to not see the Gods for who they are.If this is so obvious what is your take on scripture that states no other gods?
Big Dogger Posted December 3, 2004 Posted December 3, 2004 Why should I trust you with such things?I'm not asking you to trust me. I'm advising that you have FAITH in what Christ told us. You have me all wrong, the only one I trust is GOD and he has pointed to the Latter-day Saint position.
Alexander Posted December 3, 2004 Posted December 3, 2004 Big Doger wrote:I'm not asking you to trust me. I'm advising that you have FAITH in what Christ told us.Which I do. Thanks.Big Doger wrote:The only one you trust is God? Hello pot...this is the kettle...you're black! Don't point the finger at me and claim that I am inconsistant.President Hinkley claimed that the Mormon Jesus is not the same as the Christian Jesus. So yes, you and I do have FAITH is someone else.**Nice quote out of context. I know the context and you should know better. Move on.Big Doger wrote:Do you want me to admit that the nature of God in uncomprehensible or try and help you understand our belief with our limited vocabulary?**I want the truth. I don
Big Dogger Posted December 3, 2004 Posted December 3, 2004 President Hinkley claimed that the Mormon Jesus is not the same as the Christian Jesus. So yes, you and I do have FAITH in someone else.**Nice quote out of context. I know the context and you should know better. Move on. That was out of context? I know the context just fine. I read that article over and over in disbelief. Please open a new thread and set me straight.
Beowulf Posted December 3, 2004 Posted December 3, 2004 When Stephen looked up into heaven as he was being stoned to death, he reported seeing God, and his Son on his right side.Now what did he see? Two personages.What did Joseph Smith see? Two personages.I cannot understand how this can be misconstrued, people.
Alexander Posted December 3, 2004 Posted December 3, 2004 That was out of context? I know the context just fine. I read that article over and over in disbelief. Please open a new thread and set me straight. Hint: He did not say "we don't believe in the same Jesus that is in the bible".
Big Dogger Posted December 3, 2004 Posted December 3, 2004 When Stephen looked up into heaven as he was being stoned to death, he reported seeing God, and his Son on his right side.Now what did he see? Two personages.What did Joseph Smith see? Two personages.I cannot understand how this can be misconstrued, people. Would you please provide the scripture reference?Nevermind...found it.Thanks
Big Dogger Posted December 3, 2004 Posted December 3, 2004 Hint: He did not say "we don't believe in the same Jesus that is in the bible". Hint: I didn't either.
Alexander Posted December 3, 2004 Posted December 3, 2004 Big Dogger wrote:I was attempting to toss out your own theological beliefs that would be impossible for you to rationalize. A parallel if you will.**I failed to see such a thing in your analogies you used to describe the trinity.Big Dogger wrote:Here is a neutral question, "Can you describe for me the taste of salt?"**Nope
Big Dogger Posted December 3, 2004 Posted December 3, 2004 Big Dogger wrote:Here is a neutral question, "Can you describe for me the taste of salt?"**Nope I'll try to clarify what I'm trying to do with the analogies....If you have noticed, my analogies are trying to get you to admit that there are things you just can't explain with words.The nature of God...I can't explain with words.The taste of Salt...Neither of us can explain with words.But both are very real.
Tanyan Posted December 3, 2004 Posted December 3, 2004 Johnny am examining the following :"Partakers Of The Divine Nature" subtitled "A Comparative Analysis Of Patristic And Mormon Doctrines Of Divinization" By Father JORDAN VAJDA, OP, A Catholic Priest, Member of The Order of Preachers [The Dominicans]. He is now LDS [For the past 1 1/2 Years] . This a dissertation that he wrote that is also put out by F.A.R.M.S.
Tanyan Posted December 3, 2004 Posted December 3, 2004 Tanyan writes,What do you mean wanting to know ...., you have been through this before ADINFINENTUM with us, Come on you arn't serious are you ?. I am serious ... if it has been addressed before then you should be able to find a link with this information ... thanks.This thread is about creators ... I am wondering if you believe that you can become a creator like God was in the beginning when he created the visiable and the invisiable.Do you believe you can become one of the "Gods" that created which is revealed in Mormon scripture? Johnny,These are questions that are beyond my scope at this time to deal with. My Quest is to Return to my Heavenly Home. IF he authorizes me to assist as in such an endevor I would obey.
Paul Osborne Posted December 3, 2004 Posted December 3, 2004 Jesus told the weeping Mary to touch him not because he had not yet gone to his Father. Don't you find that to be strange? What would Jesus go and do with his Father other than embrace him and converse with him about the victory? Father and Son in a holy, divine, loving embrace - two exalted, glorified Beings. Isn't that why Jesus told Mary to hold off? The Father was deserving of seeing Jesus first and feel his resurrected body in person.But Paul... Jesus invites Thomas to touch him just a few verses later.Jhn 20:27
Paul Osborne Posted December 3, 2004 Posted December 3, 2004 Holy cow this thread is long. I'm behind, folks.Oh, and Johnny - yes I believe I can become an Almighty God being no less powerful than the very God of this earth. That's right, you heard me correct.I Paul Osborne have said in mine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne with the stars of God. I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation of Gods in the celestial kingdom. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds and I will be like the Most High!!!I believe God will say to me:"My son, ye are a god and the scripture is not broken for I am God of Gods. Ye are now perfect even as your Father who is also perfect. See now how you are exalted and have reached the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ. You are like God and a partaker of the divine nature being one with me as I am one with you. See how you have been changed into the same image and are no longer a servant but a son, even a joint-heir with Christ and you with him have inherited all things. My son, sit with me in my throne at my right side as Jesus also does and be ye God." This is the deepest doctrine of Mormonism.Paul O
Tanyan Posted December 3, 2004 Posted December 3, 2004 And JESUS said unto them WHAT??? after this explanation of how he fits into One of the Trinity Models/Forms.
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