The Mormon Candidate

[Zakuska]

Part 4/6, featuring second interview with Elder Holland (on Temple oaths) - NOTE: Part 3 is the part that contains, at the end, an individual doing a pseudo re-enactment, and quoting from the ceremony which I mentioned above. This clip (Part 4) does not contain this, and does not quote from the ceremony. If the mods are still uncomfortable with this interview with Elder Holland, I would understand its removal.

Also at 7:35, Elder Holland speaks of the Strengthening Church Members Committee, shunning, etc..

Ooo... now comes the CIA  "Strengthening Church Members Commity"  LOL!

The Private Eye music in the background was a subtle and amusing touch and the GOTCHA question and answer.  "He couldn't give me a satisfacvtory answer".

Does Birtiain have an equivalent of Hollywood?

ROFL.

Edited March 28, 2012 by Zakuska

[JeremyOrbe-Smith]

*laugh* Just finished the entire thing, and wow. That was one laaame "documentary."

[David T]

*laugh* Just finished the entire thing, and wow. That was one laaame "documentary."

Agreed. I jove RJH's response at BCC.

[David T]

I think his Answers in this part could have been much stronger. He came off as either hiding something or innept and oblivious to the contraversy.

From the video:

Sweeney: Joseph Smith got these papyri, and he translated them. And subsequently, the Egyptologists crack the code...and it's something completely different.

Elder Holland: All I'm saying is that what got translated got translated into the word of God. The vehicle for that, I do not understand, and don't claim to know, and know no Egyptian.

So...think Elder Holland might be open to the Catalyst Theory?

Edited March 28, 2012 by David T

[Zakuska]

Agreed. I jove RJH's response at BCC.

I want to be called to be on the "Strengthening the members commity".

"They call me Bond... James Bond!"

So I can follow Mitts cousin around as if I didn't have anything better to do.

[Zakuska]

From the video:

Sweeney: Joseph Smith got these papyri, and he translated them. And subsequently, the Egyptologists crack the code...and it's something completely different.

Elder Holland: All I'm saying is that what got translated got translated into the word of God. The vehicle for that, I do not understand, and don't claim to know, and know no Egyptian.

So...think Elder Holland might be open to the Catalyst Theory?

Very Well could be.

The way he answered this I can see the Anti-Mormons using the quote just as they do the President Hinkley quote on the Follett Discourse.

[JeremyOrbe-Smith]

"Agreed. I jove RJH's response at BCC."

Yep. Tho I do hope we Mormons don't get too worked up about these kinds of things -- the doc was too fundamentally silly to release the hounds. (I loved that bit at the end with Sweeney hunched over in Holland's office, trying to put on his best Serious Journalist face, and meanwhile Holland is like, "Dude, get over yourself." )

Edited March 28, 2012 by JeremyOrbe-Smith

[Daniel Peterson]

Sweeney interviewed me, too, but, though I haven't yet had time to watch the thing (and won't until at least Monday), it appears that I didn't make the cut. Which is probably good.

His questions were consistently rapid-fire and adversarial. It sounds like they were to Elder Holland, too.

I thought he was something of a jerk, to be perfectly honest.

Though, actually, when the camera wasn't on, he was fairly pleasant.

[Zakuska]

Sweeney interviewed me, too, but, though I haven't yet had time to watch the thing (and won't until at least Monday), it appears that I didn't make the cut. Which is probably good.

His questions were consistently rapid-fire and adversarial. It sounds like they were to Elder Holland, too.

I thought he was something of a jerk, to be perfectly honest.

Though, actually, when the camera wasn't on, he was fairly pleasant.

I would pay money to see an Interview between you and Mark Twain.

[Daniel Peterson]

I'll take the money, and see what I can arrange.

[Avatar4321]

Be prepared for more treats like this in the media. The campaign season is just warming up.

Im actually expecting worse.

But all I can say is bring it on. The Lord will be with us as long as we remain humble and faithful and so it doesnt matter what they say about us or do to us.

[Stargazer]

Unfortunately not; but I can tell you how I would vote if I was. It is a bit early to tell right now of course; but as things stand at the moment, I would vote for Obama, because I think that he is a better candidate, and is doing a great job already, and deserves a second term. Mormons shouldn't automatically vote for someone just because he happens to be a Mormon.

Oh, good heavens, no of course not.

I've been strenuously resisting being in favor of Mitt until he was the only one left whose views I could support. Partly because he IS a Mormon and I didn't want to appear to be supporting him on that basis. Also because at least earlier in the election season I felt that Chris Christie,Paul Ryan and Rick Perry (before his supporters started making anti-Mormon statements) would make better presidents.

I've actually changed my mind on Romney vs. all the rest of that who have been running, after reading his book "No Apology". If he can be trusted to follow the tenets he espouses in that book then he will make a very good President. As to the supposed flip-flops, you can't call them flip-flops if he has only flipped. I don't mind that a man change his mind on a topic, especially if his current position is one I can support or at least not oppose. As to the other burr under the saddle, "RomneyCare" in Massachusetts, after reading his explanation for it in the book I don't hold it against him at all. It should be clear to anyone who examines both Romney- and Obamacare that they do not really bear that much resemblance. And the other fact is that the people of Massachusetts by and large support that health-care system; not like the United States population as a whole is opposed to Obamacare, but it was forced down their throats.

I would like to point out that the current Majority Leader of the US Senate is likewise LDS, is a Democrat and automatically in opposition to Romney. Interestingly, he is arguably the most powerful political leader of the Senate, even ahead of the Vice President of the US (who is ex officio President of the Senate) and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate (both in the line of succession of the Presidency), because without his concurrence pretty much no bill can even make it to the floor of Senate for a vote. As such, on a de facto basis he could be said to be just as powerful as the Speaker of the House, and therefore the second most powerful political leader in the US, after the President and before the Speaker of the House. I do not include the Vice President in this heirarchy, because although he can be President if the President is unable to function in the office, otherwise his position as President of the Senate is merely a Robert-Rules-of-Order kind of position. So a Mormon is de facto the second most power political leader in the Unted States. I think the guy is a space cadet, having heard him speak out in favor or advocacy of some of the most idiotic things imaginable, of which his opposing the Federal de-funding of the National Cowboy Poetry Gathering springs readily to mind. Gee, and here I thought that the Federal government going flipping bankrupt was more important -- glad to be corrected.

Being a Brit, I can understand your thinking President Obama has done a good job, since from your side of the pond his winning of the Nobel Peace Prize raises his stature greatly. And if you think that Obama has done a good job (I do wonder in what way, exactly?), you no doubt believe that David Cameron is one of the worst UK Prime Ministers in recent history. If so, I hold the opposite view, incidentally.

[Stargazer]

Giving information about who you are voting for and why will likely result in a thread shutdown.

Ooops.

[zerinus]

Oh, good heavens, no of course not.

I've been strenuously resisting being in favor of Mitt until he was the only one left whose views I could support. Partly because he IS a Mormon and I didn't want to appear to be supporting him on that basis. Also because at least earlier in the election season I felt that Chris Christie,Paul Ryan and Rick Perry (before his supporters started making anti-Mormon statements) would make better presidents.

I've actually changed my mind on Romney vs. all the rest of that who have been running, after reading his book "No Apology". If he can be trusted to follow the tenets he espouses in that book then he will make a very good President. As to the supposed flip-flops, you can't call them flip-flops if he has only flipped. I don't mind that a man change his mind on a topic, especially if his current position is one I can support or at least not oppose. As to the other burr under the saddle, "RomneyCare" in Massachusetts, after reading his explanation for it in the book I don't hold it against him at all. It should be clear to anyone who examines both Romney- and Obamacare that they do not really bear that much resemblance. And the other fact is that the people of Massachusetts by and large support that health-care system; not like the United States population as a whole is opposed to Obamacare, but it was forced down their throats.

I would like to point out that the current Majority Leader of the US Senate is likewise LDS, is a Democrat and automatically in opposition to Romney. Interestingly, he is arguably the most powerful political leader of the Senate, even ahead of the Vice President of the US (who is ex officio President of the Senate) and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate (both in the line of succession of the Presidency), because without his concurrence pretty much no bill can even make it to the floor of Senate for a vote. As such, on a de facto basis he could be said to be just as powerful as the Speaker of the House, and therefore the second most powerful political leader in the US, after the President and before the Speaker of the House. I do not include the Vice President in this heirarchy, because although he can be President if the President is unable to function in the office, otherwise his position as President of the Senate is merely a Robert-Rules-of-Order kind of position. So a Mormon is de facto the second most power political leader in the Unted States. I think the guy is a space cadet, having heard him speak out in favor or advocacy of some of the most idiotic things imaginable, of which his opposing the Federal de-funding of the National Cowboy Poetry Gathering springs readily to mind. Gee, and here I thought that the Federal government going flipping bankrupt was more important -- glad to be corrected.

Being a Brit, I can understand your thinking President Obama has done a good job, since from your side of the pond his winning of the Nobel Peace Prize raises his stature greatly. And if you think that Obama has done a good job (I do wonder in what way, exactly?), you no doubt believe that David Cameron is one of the worst UK Prime Ministers in recent history. If so, I hold the opposite view, incidentally.

I agree that Romney stands head and shoulder above the other Republican nomination candidates. My comparison was strictly with the incumbent President Obama.

[Bond...James Bond]

I want to be called to be on the "Strengthening the members commity".

"They call me Bond... James Bond!"

So I can follow Mitts cousin around as if I didn't have anything better to do.

I copyrighted that line

[zerinus]

I thought he was something of a jerk, to be perfectly honest.

That is the British idea of how to be a good TV interviewer. If you are not being a jerk, you are not doing your job properly.

[Sky]

I appreciated the youtube videos with Elder Holland if for no other reason than to see how an apostle handles being asked harder questions. Some of the answers might not have been exactly what we would have hoped for, but Elder Holland was never defensive and I still have a great deal of respect for him.

[KevinG]

Ooops.

Hahahahaha! Always scan for Moderator instructions before responding to a political question.

See you in outer darkness.

[KevinG]

I appreciated the youtube videos with Elder Holland if for no other reason than to see how an apostle handles being asked harder questions. Some of the answers might not have been exactly what we would have hoped for, but Elder Holland was never defensive and I still have a great deal of respect for him.

How many times do you suppose he recited "turn the other cheek, turn the other cheek..." to himself as this interview when on?

[Calm]

Got to wonder what it looked like without the editing.

[David T]

Got to wonder what it looked like without the editing.

I, too, would love to see the unedited interview.

[Alan]

I don't venture my opinion onto the board very often, but I struggled to get to sleep last night, and am still pretty incandescent about the BBC programme aired here in the UK last evening (27th March).

It purported to investigate Mitt Romney & the cult which the probable next Republican candidate was a member of.

To be honest, I half expected a hatchet job, but I didn't believe that the dear old BBC was capable of commissioning, let alone airing such puerile rubbish.

From the seemingly inevitable nudge, nudge, wink, wink questioning of the polygamists sleeping arrangements, to the unquestioned statements of the disaffected, given the oxygen of finally acheiving their 15 minutes of fame.

Some were introduced as never having been interviewed on TV before, I guess there was a reason for that, especially those who should have been easily verified as liars.

Throughout, there lurked the underlying menace of the former CIA operatives now employed under the Strengthening the Members committee, even Mitt's cousin had been followed twice in the last month.

It is indeed fortunate for me that I have been subjected to the very highest levels of brainwashing that is available in such a far off small Branch in Wales & that this potentially Testimony exploding expose has only left me angered, not apostate.

I saw the programme and was astounded. It was supposed to be about Romney but was a thinly veiled attempt to have a go at the Mormon Church. For the first time in my life I have posted a complaint to the BBC. In fact I posted 2 complaints and await a reply. It was pure tabloid journalism.

If this is what the BBC has come to I don't believe they are worthy of the licence fee.

[KevinG]

I saw the programme and was astounded. It was supposed to be about Romney but was a thinly veiled attempt to have a go at the Mormon Church. For the first time in my life I have posted a complaint to the BBC. In fact I posted 2 complaints and await a reply. It was pure tabloid journalism.

If this is what the BBC has come to I don't believe they are worthy of the licence fee.

Just tell them to sack the news crew and use the money to produce more Dr. Who episodes.

[Zakuska]

I've actually changed my mind on Romney vs. all the rest of that who have been running, after reading his book "No Apology". If he can be trusted to follow the tenets he espouses in that book then he will make a very good President. As to the supposed flip-flops, you can't call them flip-flops if he has only flipped. I don't mind that a man change his mind on a topic, especially if his current position is one I can support or at least not oppose. As to the other burr under the saddle, "RomneyCare" in Massachusetts, after reading his explanation for it in the book I don't hold it against him at all. It should be clear to anyone who examines both Romney- and Obamacare that they do not really bear that much resemblance. And the other fact is that the people of Massachusetts by and large support that health-care system; not like the United States population as a whole is opposed to Obamacare, but it was forced down their throats.

If one looks at Mitt's views on abortion (something that is often sited as a "flip-flop" by the Anti-Romney hords) one sees some great integrety there. Mitt brought his thoughts on the issue inline with what the church teaches on the subject.

Edited March 29, 2012 by Zakuska

[thesometimesaint]

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