Deborah Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 This is an interesting blog on how others see LDS and what is real. Obviously this man's experience puts a lie to the impression that Mormons live in a sheltered world and don't know about "real" life. I suspect there are many here who also have had dealings with the real world and haven't lived in the bubble of naivete many like to present. So I ask whose world is realer?http://mormonmidrashim.blogspot.com/
KevinG Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 Since 70% of us are converts, over 50% of us live in countries other than the US and we cover a large range of cultural, educational and ethnic groups finding the "normative" Mormon to back these assertions up is going to be very difficult.
BlueDreams Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 So I ask whose world is realer?That man did an amazing job of answering to some of my bigger pet peeves represented by William's op-edWith luv,BD
Calm Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) That man did an amazing job of answering to some of my bigger pet peeves represented by William's op-edWith luv,BDTotally agree.As a side note, anyone else wonder what Williams meant by "every day and twice on Sunday"? IIRC...it's been awhile since I read his comments....he was talking about meetings, which if so makes me wonder how long it's been since he attended church on Sunday, the Church having consolidated meetings for a long time. But perhaps he is talking about something else that someone here can explain to me. Edited February 8, 2012 by calmoriah
LeSellers Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 anyone else wonder what Williams meant by "every day and twice on Sunday"? IIRC...it's been awhile since I read his comments....he was talking about meetings, which if so makes me wonder how long it's been since he attended church on Sunday, the Church having consolidated meetings for a long time. But perhaps he is talking about something else that someone here can explain to me.I suspect that more Home Teaching gets done on Sunday than any other day.We do spend a lot more time with our Brothers and Sisters on the Sabbath than on any other day.It is a day of "rest", so we can be with our families more then. too.Lehi
Calm Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 Here is the quote:But some of us who have experienced the Mormon life firsthand would rather choose a messy, colorful America lurching forward without so many confines — every day and twice on Sunday
frankenstein Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 This is an interesting blog on how others see LDS and what is real. Obviously this man's experience puts a lie to the impression that Mormons live in a sheltered world and don't know about "real" life. I suspect there are many here who also have had dealings with the real world and haven't lived in the bubble of naivete many like to present. So I ask whose world is realer?Depends on the particular mormon. The term "Utah Mormon" is not without merit. I still here people talk about "mission field" as everything outside of salt lake provo area.Though stereotypes do not apply to a whole class of people, stereotypes, in some instances correctly describe some group of people. So whose world is realer, it all depends are who is being compared to who.
KevinG Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 I've meet plenty of Utah Mormons in the mission field. I have to put up with a few of them in Georgia.I find it funny/tragic that someone would characterize a voluntary membership as "confined". There are enough former-Mormons around to demonstrate that the Danite movement has not been very successful.
cinepro Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) Totally agree.As a side note, anyone else wonder what Williams meant by "every day and twice on Sunday"? IIRC...it's been awhile since I read his comments....he was talking about meetings, which if so makes me wonder how long it's been since he attended church on Sunday, the Church having consolidated meetings for a long time. But perhaps he is talking about something else that someone here can explain to me."Everyday of the week and twice on Sunday" is a common phrase in the vernacular.This site credits it to vaudeville performances, which were "everyday and twice on Sunday". But it's a fancy way of saying "often" or "anytime". Edited February 8, 2012 by cinepro
Deborah Posted February 8, 2012 Author Posted February 8, 2012 Depends on the particular mormon. The term "Utah Mormon" is not without merit.Given that many of these Utah Mormons have served foreign missions it is without merit to a great degree. True some may never have left the state but even most Utah Mormons I know have lived outside the state at some point.
Calm Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 "Everyday of the week and twice on Sunday" is a common phrase in the vernacular.This site credits it to vaudeville performances, which were "everyday and twice on Sunday". But it's a fancy way of saying "often" or "anytime".So it really has nothing to do with the LDS Church practices...interesting.
LeSellers Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 So it really has nothing to do with the LDS Church practices...interesting.The author clearly (to my mind, at least) had a reason for using the phrase. I'm not sure, exactly why, but it was not an accident.Lehi
KevinG Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 So it really has nothing to do with the LDS Church practices...interesting....but the fact that we LDS fluttered means the stone hit quite close! Ha!
Calm Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) The author clearly (to my mind, at least) had a reason for using the phrase. I'm not sure, exactly why, but it was not an accident.LehiIt conveyed to my mind he thought the Church was obsessive and overly burdensome with its demands on the members' time, as I thought he meant we were required to go to church every day and twice on Sunday (as once occurred with Sunday School in the morning and Sacrament Meeting in the afternoon...not counting Priesthood, of course). I just took it as exaggerating because even seminary students get one day off a week most weeks. Edited February 8, 2012 by calmoriah
LeSellers Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 It conveyed to my mind he thought the Church was obsessive and overly burdensome with its demands on the members' time, as I thought he meant we were required to go to church every day and twice on Sunday (as once occurred with Sunday School in the morning and Sacrament Meeting in the afternoon...not counting Priesthood, of course). I just took it as exaggerating because even seminary students get one day off a week most weeks.I read it entirely differently: the author, who is a practicing Saint, shows by repeated example that we Saints are involved in the "real world" in a way that isolated elites will never be. We do this every day and even more on the Sabbath (for an unstated reason).Lehi
Calm Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) I read it entirely differently: the author, who is a practicing Saint, shows by repeated example that we Saints are involved in the "real world" in a way that isolated elites will never be. We do this every day and even more on the Sabbath (for an unstated reason).LehiThe author (Williams?) of the original article that condemned LDS as too "confining" and was not LDS (extended family was) was the one who used the quote (first?, don't remember it in the response, but I read it quickly). I was asking for info on his meaning.see here for original letter: http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/01/30/what-is-it-about-mormons/mormonism-it-may-look-good-on-paper Edited February 8, 2012 by calmoriah
Hamba Tuhan Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 My response to Goldberg's response: Amen!
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