Ghosts/Spirits

[TruthSeeker24]

Can unembodied spirits moved physical objects? I know They can posesscan people, but what about objects? Can spirits watch you undress? I know these questions sound totally weird but I have my reasons for asking lol

[bluebell]

I personally believe that they can manipulate objects, but i have no scriptural support to back that up.

[The Nehor]

I doubt most of them can move anything without dispensation from God. My own (regretted) encounter with devilish miracles suggests to me they are more akin to tricks of the mind.

I'm not worried about spirits watching me undress (if they can). The servants of Lucifer never had bodies and probably know nothing of sexual desire so sex to them is probably about as pornographic as watching a game of chess is to us (assuming the non-strip variety of the game). The righteous dead probably won't and I'm guessing the unrighteous dead are restricted in access to humanity. I suspect they see us more clearly then we see them.....but not by much. They have their own concerns

[Jeff K.]

Having watched all of the "Ghost Hunter" programs on syfy, I can safely say that while they cannot move objects, they are incredibly camera shy, and appear to reside only in those places where the lighting is bad.

[bluebell]

Having watched all of the "Ghost Hunter" programs on syfy, I can safely say that while they cannot move objects, they are incredibly camera shy, and appear to reside only in those places where the lighting is bad.

I think that's kind of funny because it precisely because of the Ghost Hunters show that I do believe they can, sometimes and in certain circumstances, move things.

[The Nehor]

I think that's kind of funny because it precisely because of the Ghost Hunters show that I do believe they can, sometimes and in certain circumstances, move things.

The problem is those circumstances appear to be when someone is aware but can't see the event well, in a believed to be haunted place, as long as no definitive proof can be created out of it.

I have a hard time believing that God set up such weird laws about the veil between the living and the dead......unless it is one of his practical jokes.

[JAHS]

Can unembodied spirits moved physical objects? I know They can posesscan people, but what about objects? Can spirits watch you undress? I know these questions sound totally weird but I have my reasons for asking lol

I don't think they can move objects. Whenever God had a task for an angel to perform which required physical contact with something or someone, He used those who have been resurrected so they could perform tasks, such as handing over the gold plates to joseph smith (Moroni), or confering the priesthood on to Joseph Smith and Oliver cowdery (John the Baptist, Peter, James and John.) etc.

[Jeff K.]

Its like UFO's. Why is the lighting always bad, why can't a ghost appear in the middle of the day? What rules apply or don't. With the incredible ubiquitous cel phone which does more than merely make calls, why is it no one has seen one of these phantoms clearly? It is one thing to believe that ghosts of various types exist, it is another to believe proof of their existence has been documented. Like bigfoot, we wait earnestly for something conclusive in our technological world. I think the wait will be in vain.

[bluebell]

The problem is those circumstances appear to be when someone is aware but can't see the event well, in a believed to be haunted place, as long as no definitive proof can be created out of it.

I have a hard time believing that God set up such weird laws about the veil between the living and the dead......unless it is one of his practical jokes.

I'm actually thinking of one specific incident, where a sound guy got hit in the face with a bag of equiptment he was carrying and a camera guy accidentally caught it in the background of a shot. You can actually see the bag, hanging by the man's waste as he was standing still, raise up and hit him in the face with enough force to knock the very chuncky man onto his back. The sound guy had a red welt on his face and a really weird emotional reaction (sobbed about how there was no hope and claimed afterwards that he had never felt such darkness before or such a level of hopelessness-it took him quite a while to emotionally recover).

I'm not advocating that the event proves any 'laws', other than, in some circumstances such interaction seems to be possible. I also believe that most 'hauntings' are the followers of satan just trying to create havoc and fear in our world and that the more someone has 'faith' in their abilities, the more power they have to manifest themselves (just my own theory). I don't believe that the spirits of dead people actually haunt anything.

[zerinus]

Can unembodied spirits moved physical objects? I know They can posesscan people, but what about objects? Can spirits watch you undress? I know these questions sound totally weird but I have my reasons for asking lol

I think that they can have whatever power God allows them to have. Satan for example can see us and tempt us. God allowed him to do terrible things to Job to test him. He used great power to prevent Joseph Smith from exercising faith in God to receive the First Vision. He can give to false prophets power to perform miracles to deceive those who are not of the elect (Matthew 24:24). So apparently there is quite a lot that he can do, when God allows him to. But his power is limited by the Lord. He can't do what God does not want him to do.

[Lightbearer]

I am not sure of non-living objects but they (evil spirits) apparently had the power to lift Newel Knight off the ground when he was possessed of the devil...(see History of the Church Vol. 1 Pages 82-83) Also the magicians of the Egyptians had the power to duplicate Moses' miracles (all but the last one) so I would not limit what evil spirits are capable of, but all spirits are bound by the laws of God and must obey. As for voyuer spirits who knows? But I do know that lust is a temptation of the devil and one of his number one lures that he assaults us all with. They (evil spirits) can be controlled by the power of the Priesthood and faith in Christ of that I am absolutely certain.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

Having watched all of the "Ghost Hunter" programs on syfy, I can safely say that while they cannot move objects, they are incredibly camera shy, and appear to reside only in those places where the lighting is bad.

If we take those shows (Ghost Hunters and Ghost Adventures) at face value, then there is evidence that spirits can manipulate physical objects.

The skeptic in me would love to go on ghost hunts with them and see with my own eyes. Part of me does not trust what I see, as people can easily manipulate camera footage. However, I really don't think either of those shows do that. But I really don't know.

I enjoy watching those shows. I find them very fascinating. As for now, I would say that, "Yes they can".

And no I am not trying to copy someones slogan, who I dont really care for.

[Tarski]

I doubt most of them can move anything without dispensation from God. My own (regretted) encounter with devilish miracles suggests to me they are more akin to tricks of the mind.

You are getting close. They just ARE tricks of the mind.

The devil can't even disturb a dust bunny under my bed.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

You are getting close. They just ARE tricks of the mind.

The devil can't even disturb a dust bunny under my bed.

When are we going ghost hunting?

There are several good spots in Cali.

[Tarski]

When are we going ghost hunting?

There are several good spots in Cali.

Oh my I would love it.

But, I am quite sure you would be disappointed at how strangely uneventful it would be with me around.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

Oh my I would love it.

But, I am quite sure you would be disappointed at how strangely uneventful it would be with me around.

Ha what ever. I bet it would be fun regardless if we got anything or not. Come on, Traski your not that bland, are you?

And you would be the perfect partner as you would be very skeptical.

Edited January 6, 2012 by Mola Ram Suda Ram

[asbestosman]

My own (regretted) encounter with devilish miracles suggests to me they are more akin to tricks of the mind.

Jedi mind-tricks, or are we talking about the Dark Side here?

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What do you make of the stuff in the Bible like when the priests of Pharoah mimicked many of the miracles of God--but not all of them? How about Legion entering into the swine? How about D&C 61 with the canoes on the Missouri River?

[The Nehor]

Jedi mind-tricks, or are we talking about the Dark Side here?

. . .

What do you make of the stuff in the Bible like when the priests of Pharoah mimicked many of the miracles of God--but not all of them? How about Legion entering into the swine? How about D&C 61 with the canoes on the Missouri River?

I suspect the story of the priests in Moses was hyped up later. I think if they did try to mimic Moses it was using stage magic not sorcery.

Legion I believe.

D&C 61 I have no idea how to understand that. It is outside my experience. Something happened but I couldn't tell you what it was.

[orion88]

Can unembodied spirits moved physical objects? I know They can posesscan people, but what about objects? Can spirits watch you undress? I know these questions sound totally weird but I have my reasons for asking lol

I'm assuming that a spirit beging has some form of spirit body - so can a spirit body move

another spirit body [i made a similar sounding post in another thread].

[altersteve]

I'm assuming that a spirit beging has some form of spirit body - so can a spirit body move

another spirit body [i made a similar sounding post in another thread].

Spirits have spirit bodies, but these bodies are not flesh and bone and therefore not physical.

[Calm]

I'm assuming that a spirit beging has some form of spirit body - so can a spirit body move

another spirit body [i made a similar sounding post in another thread].

I would not be surprised if this were so...that there is an interaction between spirits similar to the physical interactions of our physical bodies, but we are given no information so it would be pure speculation anyone claiming one position or another.

A thought that just occurred to me as I was about to hit post....

There are some that take the discussion of the Holy Ghost and how it interacts with men to mean that his spirit body can occupy the same spiritual space that our own spirits occupy and this is how he communicates with us. If so, this means that spiritual material may be fundamentally different than physical matter and thus may not be able to interact in an analogous way. Me, I don't see it that way. I don't believe the spirit and the body 'fit' perfectly together like a hand in a glove even if this is the analogy that is taught in Primary as our spirits are "adults" when we are born as well as when we are grown and I don't see the spirit being 'stuffed' into an infant's body like one trying to push pillow stuffing into a case that is too small to hold it all comfortably nor do I believe it is something along the lines of the genie being able to fit inside the lamp (phenomenal cosmic powers, itty bitty living space). I see the relationship between our spirits and body to likely be closer to the Hitchhiker's Guide where a certain life form that looked like white mice was described as the physical (three or four dimensional) aspect or manifestation of hyperintelligent, pandimensional beings.

Edited January 16, 2012 by calmoriah