Steel In The Book Of Mormon

[Questing Beast]

CFR, please, and give us the FULL quote of what he actually said and not the edited version.

Nothing easier:

Edited October 4, 2011 by Nemesis
Site with temple content link removed

[Questing Beast]

This may require opening another thread as we are off topic. But I am curious that you do not accept the LDS version of the war in heaven - does this mean that you view man as having a beginning before which he had no existence? I assume you accept the pre-mortal existence of Jesus.

ref John 9:2

http://www.biblicalp...s_Bible/John/9/

Or do you believe that all God's spirit children come to this earth (or other worlds) and that the third was not left behind?

Yes, we are off topic. I can't address your questions here. Suffice to say, that I do not accept or believe in the Judeo-Christian version as the exclusive pov explaining existence in the first place. I do not subscribe to any dogmatic, exclusive version as presented by religion....

[Calm]

Nothing easier.

you need to find another link as this link is on a site that hosts temple content, against board rules. Edited October 4, 2011 by calmoriah

[Questing Beast]

The Internet hosts sites that reveal temple content. I am not quoting a page of temple content, therefore I have not violated any forum rules. Nobody has to explore the rest of that site. And nobody has to go looking for temple content in the first place....

[Nemesis]

The Internet hosts sites that reveal temple content. I am not quoting a page of temple content, therefore I have not violated any forum rules. Nobody has to explore the rest of that site. And nobody has to go looking for temple content in the first place....

We don't allow links to sites with temple content.

Nemesis

[Questing Beast]

Well, I am being told that that site hosts "temple content". I wouldn't know about that without actually going looking for it. So I linked in ignorance. As far as I can tell, others have seen this "temple content" on that Website. I however have not. And the page I linked to has nothing of the kind on it. So, kill the link if you must. Here's the essential bits pasted in (or is that forbidden too?)

Question: "Is this the teaching of the church today, that God the Father was once a man like we are?

"Hinckley: "I don't know that we teach it. I don't know that we emphasize it. I haven't heard it discussed for a long time in public discourse. I don't know. I don't know all the circumstances under which that statement was made. I understand the philosophical background behind it. But I don't know a lot about it and I don't know that others know a lot about it."

- Interviewing Gordon B. Hinckley, Time Magazine, Aug 4, 1997

Question: "Don't Mormons believe that God was once a man?"

Hinckley: "I wouldn't say that. There was a little couplet coined, "As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become." Now that's more of a couplet than anything else."

- Interviewing Gordon B. Hinckley, San Francisco Chronicle, April 13, 1997, p 3/Z1

[KevinG]

I heard that interview and took President Hinckleys statement as a polite dismissal of a gotcha question that included doctrines and concepts too advanced to deal with in a press interview.

LDS theology is much more concerned with how men can become like God than it is concerned with what God once was. The context of all the statements about God's history have to do with our Heavenly parentage and our ability to become like Him through Christ's atonement.

Critics and detractors would emphasise the wrong end of the couplet to imply we diminish God's glory, while we teach the very biblical notion that we can become "joint heirs with Christ." and as I wrote on the Theosis thread "glorify the Father".

[Eldwynn]

Science gives "facts"- religion teaches about morality and what is important to give your life meaning. Science does not deal with morals or meanings- it teaches how things work, not why.

Why is the sky blue? WHY is DNA double helical? WHY am I hungry right now? WHY do some people get Huntington's disease?

I can give a better answer to these (and many other) why questions with science than you can with religion. Science IS starting to talk about morality, right and wrong, etc. and there are at least some scientists that think it has more to say than religion in such matters.

http://www.amazon.co...17703457&sr=8-1

Conversely, there are "WHAT" questions that science can't answer too, but to say that nobody uses science to give their lives meanings is either intellectually dishonest, or terribly misinformed.

Edited October 4, 2011 by Eldwynn

[mfbukowski]

Why is the sky blue? WHY is DNA double helical? WHY am I hungry right now? WHY do some people get Huntington's disease?

I can give a better answer to these (and many other) why questions with science than you can with religion. Science IS starting to talk about morality, right and wrong, etc. and there are at least some scientists that think it has more to say than religion in such matters.

http://www.amazon.co...17703457&sr=8-1

Conversely, there are "WHAT" questions that science can't answer too, but to say that nobody uses science to give their lives meanings is either intellectually dishonest, or terribly misinformed.

Yawn.

Yep, I've been saying that stuff for 40 years.

Sorry- we have been over this too many times- I have no interest in discussing it with you further. You can only see things one way, and that does not include the way I see things.

Harris: Morality must relate, at some level, to the well-being of conscious creatures.

This is premise number one- and is not founded on scientific data. I agree with it, but it is not founded on scientific data.

But I don't want to argue with you- it is a waste of time.

Edited October 4, 2011 by mfbukowski