LeSellers Posted August 29, 2011 Author Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) Never mind.Lehi Edited August 29, 2011 by LeSellers
Zakuska Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) I went to reply and then saw you already found the verse, but on a sidenote, please don't refer to Christ's disciples as "hommies".Sorry if that offended you. It wasn't ment to. His closest friends (ie his posse) who were with him ate the corn. The Deuteronomy verse isn't the exact one I was looking for. There is one I think its in the story of king David that they are specifically commanded to have 1 field in 10 IIRC which was specifically grown for the strangers passing by on the highways. Edited August 29, 2011 by Zakuska
seriously honestly Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 Sorry if that offended you. It wasn't ment to. Accepted. There are somethings I am super sensitive about, and I don't believe you did it to offend.
Calm Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 If you, like me, accept that defending The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and His Gospel against villainy is "good", then what I did yesterday is a good use of the Sabbath. LehiExcept you gave a list and then said nothing else was allowed, you didn't qualify it with and anything else that is "good".So, what was the thing other-than-which we are to do nothing (food, etc., aside)?Go to the house of prayer (v. 9)Offer up sacraments — partake of the sacraments (having offered the required sacrifice of a broken heart and contrite spirit. (vv. 8, 9, 12)Rest from our labors (v. 10)Pay devotions to Most High (v. 10)Offer oblations to the Most High (v. 12)confess sins to brethren and before the Lord (v. 12)Prepare food with singleness of heartThat's it. We are to do nothing else on His holy day, i.e., the Sabbath, i.e., Sunday (in most places around the world).So are you saying this isn't actually the complete list after all?
Zakuska Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 (edited) Accepted. There are somethings I am super sensitive about, and I don't believe you did it to offend.Well another term of enderment I like to give Christ and his Apostles when Im in a less than formal setting such as this. And its alot worse than posse or hommies.... is... "The Dirty Dozen"Imagine this scene...Matt 151 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.7 Ye hypocrites...Here comes Christ and 12 of his best friends into your dinner table after travelling all over the country side, putting their hands on sick leperous people and healing them, and they fail to stop by the lavatory and wash up before setting down to the dinner table??!! Edited August 30, 2011 by Zakuska
LeSellers Posted August 30, 2011 Author Posted August 30, 2011 Except you gave a list and then said nothing else was allowed, you didn't qualify it with and anything else that is "good".So are you saying this isn't actually the complete list after all?While I admit to more than smidgeon of hyperbole there, the issue is, "what does God expect of us who have made covenants with Him to observe the Law of the Sabbath (as part of the Law of the Gospel)?" The answer is found in the Marcan scripture I've quoted twice now. Is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath days or to do evil? By "good", we must accept that Jesus meant "positive, assertive good", rather than just things that are not evil. We are to feed the poor, to visit the sick, to spread His Good News; to accomplish righteousness, not merely fail to do active evil. We are to eat food that day that has been prepared with singleness of heart, to attend meetings with the Church, to confess our sins (for those who have any): we are to do good, and not evil, on the Sabbath days. Worshipping at the altar of the NFL or of the great outdoors is not doing good; even the second is simply not doing evil (at best). It is not worshiping God. Joseph Smith did, indeed, go into the "woods: to find God, but he took neither fishing pole nor picnic basket when he went. When Enos went hunting, he forgot about his bow as he prayed ceaselessly for hours for the redemption of his soul and then for those of his family and enemies (and there is nothing in the account to indicate that it was the Sabbath in any case). Lehi
Calm Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 or of the great outdoors is not doing goodDo you allow for scenic drives in the car or simple walks in parks or up in the mountains or are they "not doing good"?
LeSellers Posted August 30, 2011 Author Posted August 30, 2011 Do you allow for scenic drives in the car or simple walks in parks or up in the mountains or are they "not doing good"?If you can list the good they do, have at it. I'd enjoy seeing it. I can't find any, myself, except, perhaps, under extremely rare circumstances. And I mean extremely rare.Lehi
seriously honestly Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 If you can list the good they do, have at it. I'd enjoy seeing it. I can't find any, myself, except, perhaps, under extremely rare circumstances. And I mean extremely rare.LehiThey give you an appreciation for the things God has provided
Senator Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 If you can list the good they do, have at it. I'd enjoy seeing it. I can't find any, myself, except, perhaps, under extremely rare circumstances. And I mean extremely rare.LehiThey enliven the soul and bring peace to the mind. Pretty good stuff in my book!
Silver Girl Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 There are few reasons for a fuel station to be open on the Sabbath, becuase people can buy gasoline and Diesel fuel on Saturday as easily as on Sunday. Well, I, for one, am really glad that fuel stations are open on Sunday... I am a member of the District RS Presidency, and have to do a great deal of traveling on Sundays... I do gas up my car on Saturday night, but my District is spread out over a very large area... The nearest Branch that I visit is 1.5 hours drive away (one way)... I have 2 Branches that are 2 hours away... 4 Branches that are 2.5 to 3 hours away... 1 that is 4 hours drive away and 1 that is 5.5 hours away... This requires a lot of gasoline!!I do try to split up my trips (especially that 5.5 hour one!!) by going down on Saturday night and staying with another member of the District RS Presidency, but that is not always fesible... I have 3 sons who live at home, and are involved in a myriad of activities... Some of which occur on Saturday... I, as a single parent, try to attend as many of these activites as I can!!So, sometimes I get up at 4:00 AM, on Sunday morning, to hit the road by 5:00 AM in order to get to the Branch by 9:30 AM... And, then I have to drive back the same day!! And sometimes, I run low on gas... And, I stop at the gas station to fuel up... I have no other choice, other than to not go and visit the Saints in the outlying areas... Which I refuse to do, since the Spirit (and the District President) have asked me to go!!I do make this concession though... If I do have to purchase fuel to get home, I pay via debit card, at the pump, and do not enter the store or purchase snacks... I take all my food and drinks with me in a cooler...I am trying to live the spirit of the law, even if I cannot quite live the letter of the law!! My District President doesn't seem to have a problem with it... And, if the Lord does, he has not made it known unto me...Just some thoughts!!Silver Girl
Silver Girl Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 (edited) Sorry... Duplicate Post!! Edited August 30, 2011 by Silver Girl
LeSellers Posted August 30, 2011 Author Posted August 30, 2011 (edited) Well, I, for one, am really glad that fuel stations are open on Sunday... I am a member of the District RS Presidency, and have to do a great deal of traveling on Sundays... I do gas up my car on Saturday night, but my District is spread out over a very large area... Well, that would qualify as one of a "few reasons". Of course, a five gallon gas can would serve the same purpose. I do make this concession though... If I do have to purchase fuel to get home, I pay via debit card, at the pump, and do not enter the store or purchase snacks... I take all my food and drinks with me in a cooler...That is a good way to reduce the "Sabbath impact" on both you and your man (or maid) servant.I am trying to live the spirit of the law, even if I cannot quite live the letter of the law!! My District President doesn't seem to have a problem with it... And, if the Lord does, he has not made it known unto me...Doing your best is always a good approach. Lehi Edited August 30, 2011 by LeSellers
Silver Girl Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 Well, that would qualify as one of a "few reasons". Of course, a five gallon gas can would serve the same prupose. That is a good way to reduce the "Sabbath impact" on both you and your man (or maid) servant.Doing your best is always a good approach. LehiA $5.00 gas can is not going to get me home when I am still 2 hours out!!But, as you can see, I do my best!!Silver Girl
toon Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 If you can list the good they do, have at it. I'd enjoy seeing it. I can't find any, myself, except, perhaps, under extremely rare circumstances. And I mean extremely rare.LehiExercise is good. Enjoying and appreciating nature are good. Spending quality time with loved ones is good.
LeSellers Posted August 30, 2011 Author Posted August 30, 2011 A $5.00 gas can is not going to get me home when I am still 2 hours out!!Granted, five dollars worth of gas won't take most cars across the street. Five gallons of gas will take most cars 100 miles. That ought to cover most two-hour trips. But, as you can see, I do my best!!I didn't say you weren't.Lehi
Senator Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 A $5.00 gas can is not going to get me home when I am still 2 hours out!!But, as you can see, I do my best!!Silver GirlMeh,Just put it in perspective. A hundred years ago you would have to stop and water your tapir every 10 miles or so. So SG, don't sweat it.
Maidservant Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 Meh,Just put it in perspective. A hundred years ago you would have to stop and water your tapir every 10 miles or so. So SG, don't sweat it.ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Silver Girl Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 Meh,Just put it in perspective. A hundred years ago you would have to stop and water your tapir every 10 miles or so. So SG, don't sweat it.That is SO dang funny!! LOL
Lightbearer Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 Perhaps this from the Gospel Principles manual may help the OP:(Chapter 24: The Sabbath Day,” Gospel Principles, (2009),138–43)"What does it mean to keep the Sabbath day holy?The Lord asks us, first, to sanctify the Sabbath day. In a revelation given to Joseph Smith in 1831, the Lord commanded the Saints to go to the house of prayer and offer up their sacraments, rest from their labors, and pay their devotions to the Most High (see D&C 59:9–12).Second, He asks us to rest from daily work. This means we should perform no labor that would keep us from giving our full attention to spiritual matters. The Lord told the Israelites, “Thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle” (Exodus 20:10). Our prophets have told us that we should not shop, hunt, fish, attend sports events, or participate in similar activities on that day.President Spencer W. Kimball cautioned, however, that if we merely lounge about doing nothing on the Sabbath, we are not keeping the day holy. The Sabbath calls for constructive thoughts and acts. (See Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Spencer W. Kimball [2006], 170.)What kinds of things may we do on the Sabbath? The prophet Isaiah suggested that we should turn away from doing our own pleasure and should “call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable” (Isaiah 58:13).We should consider righteous things we can do on the Sabbath. For example, we can keep the Sabbath day holy by attending Church meetings; reading the scriptures and the words of our Church leaders; visiting the sick, the aged, and our loved ones; listening to uplifting music and singing hymns; praying to our Heavenly Father with praise and thanksgiving; performing Church service; preparing family history records and personal histories; telling faith-promoting stories and bearing our testimony to family members and sharing spiritual experiences with them; writing letters to missionaries and loved ones; fasting with a purpose; and sharing time with children and others in the home.In deciding what other activities we could properly engage in on the Sabbath, we could ask ourselves: Will it uplift and inspire me? Does it show respect for the Lord? Does it direct my thoughts to Him?There may be times when we are required to work on the Sabbath. We should avoid this whenever possible, but when it is absolutely necessary, we should still maintain the spirit of Sabbath worship in our hearts as much as possible."
jo1952 Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 (edited) Perhaps this from the Gospel Principles manual may help the OP:I was sooooo releaved when the Church started using the 3-hour block instead of spreading our meetings throughout the day. I had a stake calling and a ward calling. I would get up at 4:00am and collapse in bed by 10:00pm, having been lucky to get in one meal. It used to be my busiest and most work-filled day of the week.Also, I was the only LDS person in my family. My family couldn't understand why I wouldn't come over to participate in family outings - they would go to Disneyland, the Beach, etc. Sunday had been the traditional day to gather as a family and go someplace on Sunday. I knew this was only souring the pot in their minds because they did not want me to be a member of the Church. I finally, in keeping with the spirit of the Sabbath, would occasionally spend Sunday with my family if they were staying home to celebrate someone's birthday or such. I know Heavenly Father knew what my circumstances were and was pleased with my decision.I have a question to ask concerning the day that we keep the Sabbath. The Jews obviously celebrate the Shabat (sp?) on Saturday - actually from sundown on Friday until sundown on Saturday. It was the ECF who decided to make Sunday the sabbath (which, btw, was also the day that pagans kept their "sabbath"); mostly in order to not appear Jewish. But God established the Sabbath on Saturday. Is there a reason that the Church does not follow this tradition? It seemed to be a pretty important point to God. Does anybody know or have a link to share concerning this? Thanks!PS And why don't we kneel for the Sacrament as scriptures have instructed us to do?Best regards,jo Edited August 31, 2011 by jo1952
shalamabobbi Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 I was sooooo releaved when the Church started using the 3-hour block instead of spreading our meetings throughout the day. I had a stake calling and a ward calling. I would get up at 4:00am and collapse in bed by 10:00pm, having been lucky to get in one meal. It used to be my busiest and most work-filled day of the week.Also, I was the only LDS person in my family. My family couldn't understand why I wouldn't come over to participate in family outings - they would go to Disneyland, the Beach, etc. Sunday had been the traditional day to gather as a family and go someplace on Sunday. I knew this was only souring the pot in their minds because they did not want me to be a member of the Church. I finally, in keeping with the spirit of the Sabbath, would occasionally spend Sunday with my family if they were staying home to celebrate someone's birthday or such. I know Heavenly Father knew what my circumstances were and was pleased with my decision.I have a question to ask concerning the day that we keep the Sabbath. The Jews obviously celebrate the Shabat (sp?) on Saturday - actually from sundown on Friday until sundown on Saturday. It was the ECF who decided to make Sunday the sabbath (which, btw, was also the day that pagans kept their "sabbath"); mostly in order to not appear Jewish. But God established the Sabbath on Saturday. Is there a reason that the Church does not follow this tradition? It seemed to be a pretty important point to God. Does anybody know or have a link to share concerning this? Thanks!PS And why don't we kneel for the Sacrament as scriptures have instructed us to do?Best regards,joD&C 59:12The sabbath is the Lord's day commemorating His resurrection on the first day of the week.
jo1952 Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 (edited) D&C 59:12The sabbath is the Lord's day commemorating His resurrection on the first day of the week.Thank you, Shalamabobbi. Here is D&C 59:12D&C 59:12But remember that on this, the Lord’s day, thou shalt offer thine oblations and thy sacraments unto the Most High, confessing thy sins unto thy brethren, and before the Lord.This doesn't say anything about the first day of the week. Genesis 2:2-3 (emphasis added)And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.According to Genesis, the seventh day was the day that was sanctified for the day of rest. The ancient church continued to celebrate the Sabbath on Saturday until the Council of Laodecia which was held in 363AD. At that time, the RCC officially changed the day of rest to be on Sunday. One of the ideas used to support this change was that Sunday was te day of Jesus' Resurrection. However, it appears that their number one reason for choosing Sunday was so the Christian's would not Judaize the Christian's day of rest. They claim they had received the divine authority to make the day of rest any day of the week they wanted to. I'm just curious to know if we have anything spoken or written by Latter-Day prophets about this? Regards,jo Edited August 31, 2011 by jo1952
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