inquiringmind Posted August 20, 2011 Posted August 20, 2011 How much Mormon (LDS) doctrine is implicitely taught in the BOM?
KevinG Posted August 20, 2011 Posted August 20, 2011 I couldn't put a percentage on it but towards what I think the intent of your question is...Mormon Doctrine is contained in our standard works including the Book of Mormon, the Bible (New and Old Testament), The Pearl of Great Price and The Doctrine and Covenants. General Conference addresses (counsel from living prophets) is also considered to be important and to be treated as doctrinal for our time (with the everpresent condition that the Holy Spirit confirms the truth of it to us as individuals and as a church).There are other doctrinal or authoratative teachings that we receive in the Temple.The LDS canon is very open and does not all reside in one text or source.I hope that helps.
cdowis Posted August 20, 2011 Posted August 20, 2011 We do not worship the BOM. It is not inerrant, nor comprehensive. It has the purpose of giving us the doctrine of Christ and serves as another witness of Christ.It has served that purpose very well.
ldsfaqs Posted August 20, 2011 Posted August 20, 2011 I would say some 90% is found within the Bible.I would say some 60% is found within the BOM.The rest in the D&C & Pearl of Great Price.Obviously there is "overlap" between the four, certainly things found in some not found in others, etc. But, if you're talking everything the Church believes doctrine wise, those are my "poor" guess as to the percentages.
mfbukowski Posted August 20, 2011 Posted August 20, 2011 (edited) How much Mormon (LDS) doctrine is implicitely taught in the BOM?I went through it one time looking just for that and there was quite a bit. Opposition in all things,Personal revelation(open canon)Melchizadek PriesthoodPlan of SalvationThat's a start.Edit: Oh yeah- the truth of the Book of Mormon is also found in the Book of Mormon. Edited August 20, 2011 by mfbukowski
CV75 Posted August 20, 2011 Posted August 20, 2011 How much Mormon (LDS) doctrine is implicitely taught in the BOM?Everything that is plain and precious, which is also explicitly taught.
TAO Posted August 20, 2011 Posted August 20, 2011 (edited) What is interesting is that even exaltation is taught implicitly in the Book of Mormon, though not as clearly. For example, in Alma,Alma 5:58For the names of the righteous shall be written in the book of life, and unto them will I grant an inheritance at my right hand. And now, my brethren, what have ye to say against this? I say unto you, if ye speak against it, it matters not, for the word of God must be fulfilled. Edited August 20, 2011 by TAO
inquiringmind Posted August 20, 2011 Author Posted August 20, 2011 Thank you TAO.Could the premortal existence be implicitely taught in 1 Nephi 1:10-11?And he also saw twelve others following Him...and they came down and went forth upon the face of the earth...
TAO Posted August 20, 2011 Posted August 20, 2011 Thank you TAO.Could the premortal existence be implicitely taught in 1 Nephi 1:10-11?And he also saw twelve others following Him...and they came down and went forth upon the face of the earth...Hmmm.... I don't know... maybe.The verse is referring to Jesus and his apostles and/or disciples, I think... not sure though =P.What is interesting, is that those people had not been born yet. So... they were either being shown in spirit form... or it was a dream/vision sorta thing... I guess.Which would I guess imply a premortal existance. Thought I'm not sure. What do you think it implies? XD.The topical guide does mention Alma 13:3 in support of the pre-existence, but I'm sure there is more... let me look around a bit =D.Best Wishes,TAO
inquiringmind Posted August 20, 2011 Author Posted August 20, 2011 (edited) Hmmm.... I don't know... maybe.The verse is referring to Jesus and his apostles and/or disciples, I think... not sure though =P.What is interesting, is that those people had not been born yet. So... they were either being shown in spirit form... or it was a dream/vision sorta thing... I guess.Which would I guess imply a premortal existance. Thought I'm not sure. What do you think it implies? XD.The topical guide does mention Alma 13:3 in support of the pre-existence, but I'm sure there is more... let me look around a bit =D.Best Wishes,TAOIt says that THEY (Jesus and the twelve) came down and went forth upon the face of the earth.That could imply a premortal existence for all of them.One thing I am fairly certain of (and this is actually what started me thinking about this topic) is that a passage from the book of Jacob (often quoted by anti's, and Mormons opposed to polygamy) implicitely teaches the (sometime) acceptibility of plural wives. Edited August 20, 2011 by inquiringmind
TAO Posted August 20, 2011 Posted August 20, 2011 It says that THEY (Jesus and the twelve) came down and went forth upon the face of the earth.That could imply a premortal existence for all of them.One thing I am fairly certain of (and this is actually what started me thinking about this topic) is that a passage from the book of Jacob (often quoted by anti's, and Mormons opposed to polygamy) implicitely teaches the (sometime) acceptibility of plural wives.Oh, that Jacob verse. Yeah... it does do that =P. Us and the critics can never really agree on that one XD. I remember having a discussion on it once... and us and the critics sorta talked over the other's heads on it =P. That does end up being the kind of way things get to be XP. Sometimes I wish it worked better than that XD.And about that face of the earth one, I agree, I can see it possibly being implied by that verse. Most definitely =).
inquiringmind Posted August 21, 2011 Author Posted August 21, 2011 Having read the verse, I think you win that one (but what does =P and XD mean?)
inquiringmind Posted August 21, 2011 Author Posted August 21, 2011 (edited) Can anyone else think of any other LDS teachings that are implicitely taught in the BOM? Edited August 21, 2011 by inquiringmind
ldsfaqs Posted August 21, 2011 Posted August 21, 2011 (edited) How much Mormon (LDS) doctrine is implicitely taught in the BOM?http://lds.org/ensig...stored?lang=engHere's some links on the subjects..... See the BOM links for answers to your specific questionSome of the other links might also mention things not mentioned in the BOM specific articles.- Modern Scripture http://library.lds.o...mple&2.0#LPHit1- Book of Mormon http://library.lds.o...mple&2.0#LPHit1- BofM Clarification http://library.lds.o...mple&2.0#LPHit1- The Bible http://library.lds.o...mple&2.0#LPHit1- Lost Truths Restored I http://library.lds.o...nced&2.0#LPHit1- Lost Truths Restored II http://library.lds.o...nced&2.0#LPHit1- Lost Truths Restored III http://library.lds.o...mple&2.0#LPHit1- Doctrine & Covenants http://library.lds.o...mple&2.0#LPHit1- Book of Moses http://library.lds.o...rl&x=Simple&2.0- Book of Abraham http://library.lds.o...mple&2.0#LPHit1- How the Bible came to be Part 1 http://library.lds.o...f=templates&2.0- Part 2 http://library.lds.o...f=templates&2.0- Part 3 http://library.lds.o...f=templates&2.0- Part 4 http://library.lds.o...f=templates&2.0- Part 5 http://library.lds.o...f=templates&2.0- Part 6 http://library.lds.o...f=templates&2.0- Part 7 http://library.lds.o...f=templates&2.0- Part 8 http://library.lds.o...f=templates&2.0 Edited August 21, 2011 by ldsfaqs
ldsfaqs Posted August 21, 2011 Posted August 21, 2011 (edited) By the way, I created this list several years ago, by simply going to LDS.org and searching the subject..... when someone asked what did the Restoration actually restore.You can do the same. It's best to go to the source anyway. We don't have the time nor the spirit here to be fully detailed on subjects.Personally, I don't know why you are asking us all these questions. I certainly wouldn't go to a message board to learn about mormonism.I would read LDS materials for myself.... and only if I needed some help on something, then maybe post a question on a message board.Just a recommendation. BTW, you're welcome! Edited August 21, 2011 by ldsfaqs
jo1952 Posted August 21, 2011 Posted August 21, 2011 Thank you TAO.Could the premortal existence be implicitely taught in 1 Nephi 1:10-11?And he also saw twelve others following Him...and they came down and went forth upon the face of the earth...I would say yes. Even though this was about things that had not yet taken place, the fact that ANYONE was seen coming down from Heaven is actually a strong case in support of premortal existence. Alma was being shown that those individuals came down TO earth FROM Heaven, and AFTER they came down, they went forth upon the face of the earth. You've got good eyes!Regards,jo
TAO Posted August 21, 2011 Posted August 21, 2011 (edited) Having read the verse, I think you win that one (but what does =P and XD mean?)Oh... those are chat faces so to say. Here is what they mean (some of them):=P - It' supposed to be a tongue sticking out.... but you generally use it when there is an awkward moment, or you are using a statement which you are not sure if someone will agree with, or if something sounds a wee bit contradictory. It's sort of a funny way of laughing at yourself (or at least that's how I use it... I laugh at myself because it helps keep me much more down to earth).XD - Laughing, excited face... almost ecstatic... a bit silly excited too. Again, I am a bit sadistic with my use of it. But it generally is a 'light to medium laugh of sorts', so to say.XP - Dead face... sort of like a momentary sour face... except you aren't really sour... it's sort of a 'passing remark' sort of thing. You know where you will make a small face that is sort of like 'disgusted' but you don't mean it too seriously.=D - Happy, Overjoyed... most people know this one.=? - One I use which means sort of like 'hmmmmm...' or 'I'm not sure' or 'Looking for an affirmative on your part before continuing' or 'curious... (but not in a generally positive way)'.=/ - Unhappy or 'man that stinks' face. In some way I am unhappy with the event, whether I support it or I don't. Not intense.=| - Kind of like my way of saying I don't want to use emotion... trying to be ambivalent to hide my emotion. It can also mean it's not a happy event, but I'm not unhappy with it enough to use =/.=^..^= - My favorite symbol... a cat =D.There's a few others... but I feel they sort of get my emotions across better... believe it or not, verbal and facial cues are a bit part of a conversation... so I use them to sort of clear up my intent =). But it's important to read the context of them to... =P doesn't always mean the same thing where it is. The good thing is that I rarely use faces when I am seriously discussing (usually because someone criticized something important), so you know I am almost self-deprecatory when I use them... so it's sort of a way of me saying 'this is what I think, but I'm not 100% sure and I'm open to other possibilities'. I will use faces though in a serious discussion which is 'touchy' so to say, to other people... to help lighten the mood =).Lots of stuff, I know... ya' kinda have to get used to it a bit =P... but it's fun... and helps portray my intentions better I hope =).Best Wishes,Hope it isn't too hassle-ish,TAO Edited August 21, 2011 by TAO
Rivers Posted August 21, 2011 Posted August 21, 2011 I went through it one time looking just for that and there was quite a bit. Opposition in all things,Personal revelation(open canon)Melchizadek PriesthoodPlan of SalvationThat's a start.Edit: Oh yeah- the truth of the Book of Mormon is also found in the Book of Mormon. Don't forget the fortunate fall and condemnation of infant baptism.
Calm Posted August 21, 2011 Posted August 21, 2011 How much Mormon (LDS) doctrine is implicitely taught in the BOM?While not all inclusive, if you go through the Gospel Principles manual, you can connect some doctrines directly to BoM scriptures by the scripture reference given.
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