inquiringmind Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 Is triple six an evil number?Is it the devil's number?Will people be forced to somehow receive this number on their right hands during a future 7 (or three and a half) year tribulation?
Joseph Antley Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 Is triple six an evil number?Is it the devil's number?666 in the Book of Revelation is almost certainly an isopsephism for the the Roman Emperor Nero (54-68). I don't think there's anything especially significant in the number itself. In many early manuscripts the number appears at 616, which corresponds to Nero's Latin name (666 corresponds to his Greek name).Will people be forced to somehow receive this number on their right hands during a future 7 (or three and a half) year tribulation?Probably not. 1
CARPE DIEM Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 Is triple six an evil number?Is it the devil's number?Will people be forced to somehow receive this number on their right hands during a future 7 (or three and a half) year tribulation?I've heard it is the mark of the beast (Devil) and one day we will be forced to be marked as did the Jewish Prisoners in Germany. Think I saw it on the History channel.
mfbukowski Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 Think I saw it on the History channel.Now that's some serious theology!
blackstrap Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) VICARIVS FILII DEI as some Protestants are fond of explaining.Also, the number of the beast is not the same as the mark to be placed on individuals so that they can buy and sell. That's more likely to be the identichip with a Mastercard number that is placed into your hand as a security device.( conspiracy alert) Edited August 17, 2011 by blackstrap
Zakuska Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) Is triple six an evil number?Is it the devil's number?Will people be forced to somehow receive this number on their right hands during a future 7 (or three and a half) year tribulation?The problem with the triple six?!It all depends on which Bible you consult. Some Bibles list the number of the beast as being... 616.The Number of the Beast616 ("six hundred and sixteen", or "six hundred sixteen" in American English) is believed by some to have been the original Number of the Beast in the Book of Revelation in the Christian Bible.[1] Different early versions of the Book of Revelation gave different numbers, and 666 had been widely accepted as the original number. In 2005, however, a fragment of papyrus 115 was revealed, containing the earliest known version of that part of the Book of Revelation discussing the Number of the Beast. It gave the number as 616, suggesting that this may have been the original.[2]http://en.wikipedia....iki/616_(number) Edited August 17, 2011 by Zakuska
Zakuska Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) I beleive we can chalk this one up as another "Bibilical Variant" that does profoundly effect a core christian doctrine of identifying who the Anti-Christ is. Edited August 17, 2011 by Zakuska
bjw Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 I think it more likely refers to the implantable microchip. There are many in the government that want to see this happen and I think it would definitely allow way too much control over the individual. This is a good website that covers the controversy and even goes over some legislation that affects the issue:http://www.wethepeoplewillnotbechipped.com/main/news.phpThis would be an easy way to get those that don't go along with Satan's system to not be able to buy and sell, and would also explain the sores that develop from taking the mark that's mentioned in the book of Revelation. It could mean a battery leak or bad reaction.I saw an interview on Youtube with Aaron Russo, the director of the Eddie Murphy movie Trading Places who later became a politician, where he mentions that he knew it was being talked about a lot, especially by the Rockefellers who were in on funding the project.I also find it curious that the implantable chip goes by names like Xmark, Somark, etc. Now they've changed the name of it to take out "mark" because people were making the connection with the mark of the beast. I think its called "Positive ID" or something now. I've heard the manuscript of Revelations reads chi, xi, stigma for the number 666. Some have taken the X and S of Xmark and Somark to be a fulfillment of the prophecy. I know that whether or not this is an actual fulfillment of the Bible prophecy I would not take this chip, even if it became a law. I would not allow myself to be branded like cattle. This could be one of the things the 2 prophets mentioned in Revelations and D&C are supposed to warn about when they are killed by antichrist. Its apparent that even if this isn't the fulfillment those that make the chip probably believe they are fulfilling the prophecy. This is why I don't think 666 or 616 or whether or not Nero had some kind of mark matters, because these people making this chip may be wanting to do this to fulfill the prophecy out of rebellion against God, and I don't think its a good idea to surrender one's freedom to someone like that.
David T Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 666 in the Book of Revelation is almost certainly an isopsephism for the the Roman Emperor Nero (54-68). I don't think there's anything especially significant in the number itself. In many early manuscripts the number appears at 616, which corresponds to Nero's Latin name (666 corresponds to his Greek name).This.
Nathair/|\ Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 In her novel Fire and Glory: The Millennial Story, LDS author Marsha Newman postulated that people would have a bar-code or identification number tattooed on their hands. It was published in 1989, though so it is somewhat zeerust.
Maidservant Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 As far as LDS official doctrine, I don't think anything specific, if any thing at all, has been hung on the number 666. It is just allowed to sit in the NT as it is, and Mormons like to think of the last days as much or more than anyone, so individual LDS members each have their own ideas on these things.
Joseph Antley Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 I beleive we can chalk this one up as another "Bibilical Variant" that does profoundly effect a core christian doctrine of identifying who the Anti-Christ is.I don't think so. Both 666 and 616 correspond to the name of Nero Caesar.
volgadon Posted August 18, 2011 Posted August 18, 2011 I don't think so. Both 666 and 616 correspond to the name of Nero Caesar.And fits in better with the typological POV found in apocalyptic.
bjw Posted August 18, 2011 Posted August 18, 2011 As far as LDS official doctrine, I don't think anything specific, if any thing at all, has been hung on the number 666. It is just allowed to sit in the NT as it is, and Mormons like to think of the last days as much or more than anyone, so individual LDS members each have their own ideas on these things.I agree with this viewpoint.I also think the main reason the LDS Church is not more dogmatic on these things is that reprecussions to the church could result from any specific statements. Such as, if President Monson were to specifically name the Verichip as the mark of the beast, the company that makes the chip would probably find a way to try to sue the LDS church off the planet.I also think the same goes for the identity of the "Great and Abominable Church," beast, antichrist, false prophet, or anything else that relates to the Book of Revelation. Being too specific could bring unwanted reprecussions on the church. The General Authorities may know these things, but I doubt they would ever put anything in print as long as the LDS church must exist in its current form. As of right now it must exist as the things that God will someday reveal that is mentioned in the Articles of Faith.
phaedrus ut Posted August 18, 2011 Posted August 18, 2011 I'm pretty sure that 667 is the neighbor of the beast. Phaedrus 1
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Nathair/|\ Posted August 18, 2011 Posted August 18, 2011 (edited) I'm pretty sure that 667 is the neighbor of the beast. PhaedrusNumbers of The BeastIt started with 666, and then ...6.66% 5 year CD interest rate at First Beast of h*** National Bank Gross Reciepts tax rate of the beast's Lake of Fire Municipality.666th Airborne 666th Beast Airborne Unit666th BSF 666th Beast Special Forces6 Acronym of The Beast667 Across the street from The Beast 666 WhitehallAddress of British Prime Minister Beast 666 Pennsylvania AveAddress of US President Beast B666-6Aldrich Catalog number of The Beast1.738E+289Anti-log of The Beast670Approximate number of The Beast1-666Area code of The Beast666mm Artillery bore of The Beast#6 #6 #6Background comment on Beastles Record/666Beast Common Denominator6-6-6Beast hits slots jackpot!Sucks Sucks SucksBeast opinion of Microsoft Windows38-24-36 666Beauty and The Beast666 pack Beer of The BeastWindows 666 Bill Gates' personal Beast1010011010 Binary number of The Beast06/06/06Day of The Beast666i BMW of The Beast/Imaginary number of The BeastChannel 666 Cable TV of The Beast1666 cm-1 Carbonyl stretch of The Beast666 cal Calories per serving of Beast66.6% Calories percentage from fat per serving of BeastEMI666 CD catalog number of Soundtrack of The Beast666.org Charity of the Beast[666-66-6] Chem Abstracts number of The BeastSox Sox Sox Christmas present of The Beast66o Circumcision of The BeastHEL-666 College course number of The Beast0.58778525 Cos of The BeastVick's Formula 666 Cough syrup of The Beast6666-6666-6666-6666 pin 666 Credit card number of The Beast295408296 Cube of The Beast8.732891741Cube Root of The BeastDIN 666Deutsche Industrie Norm für Biesten666'.00666--be66Dewey Decimal Classification of the BeastDSM-666 (revised)Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of The BeastCummins 666Diesel Beast6:06:06PMDinnertime of The Beast66 and 6/100% pureDisclaimer for Ivory Beast SoapClub 666 Dicso nightclub of The Beast666 mcg Dosage of The Beast666 fluid oz.Draught of the Beast666Dyslectic reading of The Beastwww.666.com e-Business of the Beast666@hotmail.com e-Mail of the BeastMazda 666 Economy car of The Beastvi vi vi Editor of The BeastC 66.60 H 6.66 N 6.66Elemental analysis of The BeastBeast@666.comEmail of Beast6 6 6 Emoticon of the Beast666 J Energy of The Beast333 Eric the half-a-Beast http://www.turoks.net/Cabana/NumbersOfTheBeast.php Edited August 18, 2011 by Nathair
volgadon Posted August 18, 2011 Posted August 18, 2011 I'm pretty sure that 667 is the neighbor of the beast. Phaedrus664 is the neighbour of the beast. 667 lives across the street. 1
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Zakuska Posted August 19, 2011 Posted August 19, 2011 664 is the neighbour of the beast. 667 lives across the street.Why did the beast cross the road huh? Actually not quite true. There are at least 4 neighborhoods in SLC that could qualify as the Neighborhood of the beast.600N-699N and 600W-699W600N-699N and 600E-699E600S-699S and 600W-699W600S-699S and 600E-699E
CARPE DIEM Posted August 19, 2011 Posted August 19, 2011 Why did the beast cross the road huh? Actually not quite true. There are at least 4 neighborhoods in SLC that could qualify as the Neighborhood of the beast.600N-699N and 600W-699W600N-699N and 600E-699E600S-699S and 600W-699W600S-699S and 600E-699Eyour close, actually it is his Second Cousin, twice removed!
inquiringmind Posted December 30, 2011 Author Posted December 30, 2011 (edited) In her novel Fire and Glory: The Millennial Story, LDS author Marsha Newman postulated that people would have a bar-code or identification number tattooed on their hands. It was published in 1989, though so it is somewhat zeerust. This reminds me of a question I tried to ask on another thread (and I'd have the same question whether the mark is some kind of literal identification number, or something more symbolic.)Rev. 14:9-11 says "And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."Does that mean that all those who receive this mark (which would seem to be everyone who isn't martyred) is a son of perdition?Is the door or repentance closed to those who enter their first death at the destruction of Babylon?The only LDS commentary I found on this seemed (to me) to suggest that there may be another way of looking at this verse.“The smoke of the destruction of Babylon (see 18:9, 18) will rise up to the heavens forever as a testimony of her wickedness. When Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, Abraham ‘looked . . . toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace’ (Gen. 19:28). When Isaiah made his prophecy against Idumea (which represents the world; see D&C 1:36), he saw that ‘the land thereof shall become burning pitch. It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste’ (Isa. 34:9-10; Rev. 14:11). As the smoke of incense rises up to God as a prayer (8:3-4), so will the smoke of the destroyed Babylon rise up as a reminder of the sin and just destruction of the wicked world.” (Donald W. Parry and Jay A. Parry, Understanding the Book of Revelation [salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1998], 250.)http://www.gospeldoc...ament/Rev19.htmIf "the smoke of their torment" is symbolic hyperbole (i.e. a memorial of their judgement), could some of them repent between the the second coming and the last Judgement?This could be one of the things the 2 prophets mentioned in Revelations and D&C are supposed to warn about when they are killed by antichrist.What can we learn about these two prophets from D&C? Edited December 30, 2011 by inquiringmind
Hamba Tuhan Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 664 is the neighbour of the beast. 667 lives across the street.'And who is my neighbour?' Not the person across the street, apparently.
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