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What I call "righteous hypocrisy".

Lehi

Whatever someone wants to call it, i believe the Lord will reward such people for their willingness to sacrifice their own desires and instead do what they believe is best for those they love, even if they disagree.

Posted (edited)

so that makes it bad?

Did you miss the adjective "righteous"?

No one is perfect. I am also a "righteous hypocrit" (I hope) because I do not always do what I know to be best, but do not trumpet my failures to others, hoping they'll miss them and not be able to use me as an excuse to stop trying to become better themselves.

Some days "righteous hypocrisy" is the best I can do.

Lehi

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that is exactly the reason, I want to set a good example

I respect that. I don't understand what you mean by "good example" though?

If the Savior is not found in the Church or any other, then why not just take your family to the local YMCA and set a good example there?

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I respect that. I don't understand what you mean by "good example" though?

If the Savior is not found in the Church or any other, then why not just take your family to the local YMCA and set a good example there?

because I could be wrong and usually am

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because I could be wrong and usually am

Well, let me help you out, you are wrong.

The Savior is found in the LDS Church for He is at the head, but don't take my word for it. Find out for yourself and get out of limbo land and that will be the "good example" set for your family.

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It's difficult to address anecdotes as evidence, because anecdotes can't be documented.

However, a couple of years ago, somebody on this board alleged that there are more references in general conference to Joseph Smith than to Christ. This is something that, if true, can be documented, and fairly easily, because the transcripts of the conference proceedings are published on line.

So I went back to the previous general conference and did a search on references to Christ, comparing them to references to Joseph Smith. It wasn't even close. The Christ references far outnumbered — by more than double, if I recall correctly — the references to Joseph Smith. (And yes, I excluded the instances where speakers closed their talks in the name of Jesus Christ.)

In writing an editorial today (and yes, this thread gave me the idea for it), I did another study of general conference sermons, this time at the most recent general conference, the one held in April of this year. I counted all occurrences of the name Christ, excluding those that occurred in the customary closing of talks and excluding occurrences that appeared in the formal name The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Then I counted all occurrences of the name of Joseph Smith. Here are the results:

Occurrences of the name Christ: 136

Occurrences of the name Joseph Smith (including variations, such as given name only): 28.

That's a ratio of nearly five to one. And it likely would have been much higher had I included other names for Christ, such as Savior, Redeemer, Lord, Master, Jehovah, etc.

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I always laugh when this discussion is brought up because no one who understands anything about the church would think that we set Joseph Smith above Christ. We honor the prophet for all that he did in the name of Christ. He showed us who Christ truly is so that we may better worship and revere him.

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Posted (edited)

In writing an editorial today (and yes, this thread gave me the idea for it), I did another study of general conference sermons, this time at the most recent general conference, the one held in April of this year. I counted all occurrences of the name Christ, excluding those that occurred in the customary closing of talks and excluding occurrences that appeared in the formal name The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Then I counted all occurrences of the name of Joseph Smith. Here are the results:

Occurrences of the name Christ: 136

Occurrences of the name Joseph Smith (including variations, such as given name only): 28.

That's a ratio of nearly five to one. And it likely would have been much higher had I included other names for Christ, such as Savior, Redeemer, Lord, Master, Jehovah, etc.

Update:

Here's a link to the editorial I wrote. It was published Saturday.

Edited by Scott Lloyd
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I dunno, I am surprised that the Jew don't celebrate Moses more for getting them the heck out of Egypt.

It's because every time they mention Egypt they are praising God for getting them the heck out of Egypt.

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