Countermopologists Pet Theories Against The Bom

[John Williams]

You means as in 42? That's not what I was trying to say. A truth, any truth, eg. The Book of Mormon is divine, confirmed to an individual means that for that individual it matter not what the Dude or anyone else may say about it, all counter argument bites the dust.

So, the witness of the spirit trumps everything else (including your conscience, or so I've been told).

[Scottie]

Good grief Juliann!! We have 2 critics on this thread claiming that some things were, indeed, mistakes!!

There is no central figurehead of the critic movement that can publish a press release and own accountability for some other critic claiming something that was obviously false.

What exactly do you want??

[John Williams]

Good grief Juliann!! We have 2 critics on this thread claiming that some things were, indeed, mistakes!!

There is no central figurehead of the critic movement that can publish a press release and own accountability for some other critic claiming something that was obviously false.

What exactly do you want??

Scottie,

I don't think repeating a trope is meant to do anything but reinforce the idea that we countermopologists don't have much integrity.

[Tchild2]

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[The Dude]

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[Tsuzuki]

There is no confirmation of one indivisable global or cosmic truth.

Sure there is. It's just that it ceases to be the Tao when you talk about it.

[Chaos]

The Dude and TChild2 leave this thread. Empty insults are not going to pass for discussion anymore. Our Mormon posters have the right to discuss anti-Mormonism on this board without being insulted for a response.

[MorningStar]

There has been criticism of the phrase "Land of Jerusalem" in The Book of Mormon. Wasn't that same phrase found in The Dead Sea Scrolls?

[grego]

Assuming these are serious questions, the correct answers are 37 and 1,093.

Now if you had said 1,093 and 37, I might have believed you a little more...

[kantgomo]

Juliann,

Do you feel there are any that haven't bitten the dust?

[juliann]

Juliann,

Do you feel there are any that haven't bitten the dust?

Of course. So why can't countermos open their eyes?

[John Williams]

Of course. So why can't countermos open their eyes?

Open our eyes to what? Bad arguments are bad arguments, and most of us freely acknowledge when something has bitten the dust.

[Alf O'Mega]

FARMS is not a unitary mind. Hundreds of authors have written for FARMS. They write on what they want to write about, and on what they think is interesting (DCP).

And, of course, you understand the meaning of my statement, which is simply that the Smithsonian is not a single unitary mind. It is a place where people work, and one of the staffers was assigned to write a standard letter regarding the Book of Mormon, and it was probably approved by a mid-level manager or even a small handful of mid-level managers at the Institution (DCP).

It's fitting, I suppose, that yowzaa seeks to dismiss the FARMS reviews of Grant Palmer's book by means of a non-substantive ad hominem slander against the organization as a whole (as if it somehow thinks and writes with one unitary mind and a single personality) (DCP).

It's not true that the single unitary Borg-mind known as FARMS believes Mormonism to be the fulfullment of Qumranic Judaism (DCP).

Who can name the fallacy that Daniel Peterson is responding to in these quoted excerpts? Does one side of the ongoing discussion here at MADB have a monopoly on this fallacy? Can anybody cite recent examples of the same fallacy being committed by Dr. Peterson's co-ideologists?

[Doctor Steuss]

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Others?

Boomerang Hits...

Although I haven't found anything from an outside source to confirm that sheum/seum wasn't a known Akadian word prior to 1857. Does anyone have anything?

[Hyrum Page]

Now we know that there are a handful of examples of small amounts of material being written on up to four metal plates. There are still no examples of lengthy histories being recorded on metal plates.

Hey, Nevo, are these the same plates mentioned in Cheesman's book published in 1984, or are there new ancient plates that have been discovered in America? I really want to know about these plates.

Thanks.

[juliann]

There is also the "coins" in the BOM line.

[Doctor Steuss]

There is also the "coins" in the BOM line.

I was surprised to encounter the "adieu" argument by someone who is quite intellegent on another board a while back. However, to his credit, he was able to say adieu to "adieu" after I posted this.

All-in-all though, I think that some things will continue to be a "pet theory" against the BoM for some. Just because the evidence against a given theory is convincing to us doesn't necessarily mean that it must be convincing to someone else (IMO).

[Scottie]

There is also the "coins" in the BOM line.

What about coins?

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

What about coins?

What about the coins Scottie? Can you give us a break down of why coins are mentioned in the BoM?

[John Williams]

There is also the "coins" in the BOM line.

Yep, technically speaking, the "Nephite coinage" of the chapter intro (Alma 11) turns out primarily to be a system of weights and measures. However, the description of them as "different pieces of their gold, and of their silver, according to their value" sounds a lot like coins.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

I was surprised to encounter the "adieu" argument by someone who is quite intellegent on another board a while back. However, to his credit, he was able to say adieu to "adieu" after I posted this.

All-in-all though, I think that some things will continue to be a "pet theory" against the BoM for some. Just because the evidence against a given theory is convincing to us doesn't necessarily mean that it must be convincing to someone else (IMO).

Hmm, I have never understood why critics still use "adieu". Actually Im amazed they ever did you use it. IT is so lame.

Yep, technically speaking, the "Nephite coinage" of the chapter intro (Alma 11) turns out primarily to be a system of weights and measures. However, the description of them as "different pieces of their gold, and of their silver, according to their value" sounds a lot like coins.

Does piece = coin? Just currious. From what I gather you seem to think it does.

[John Williams]

Hmm, I have never understood why critics still use "adieu". Actually Im amazed they ever did you use it. IT is so lame.

Does piece = coin? Just currious. From what I gather you seem to think it does.

No, not necessarily. But pieces of metal having different values sounds a lot like coins to me. YMMV.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

No, not necessarily. But pieces of metal having different values sounds a lot like coins to me. YMMV.

Ok. I thought along those same lines for a while. I guess they could mean anything. Now for the sake of the argument lets assume they were coins. Would you be surpirsed if the diggers in mesoameric founs coins? I woundt one way or the other.

[John Williams]

Ok. I thought along those same lines for a while. I guess they could mean anything. Now for the sake of the argument lets assume they were coins. Would you be surpirsed if the diggers in mesoameric founs coins? I woundt one way or the other.

No, I wouldn't, either. I agree that this criticism is pretty much a nonstarter.

[juliann]

All-in-all though, I think that some things will continue to be a "pet theory" against the BoM for some.

It is convenient in a very lazy way, I suppose. But it is no different than the howls about "the church" not presenting "the truth" about history. For some reason, they don't seem to think credibility cuts both ways and when they are shown up to be less than intelligent in their reasoning they are no longer convincing. It is because of lazy countermos like this that we hear stories about people becoming interested in the church through anti-Mormonism.

I think one of the most persistent translation related tales (and one that has not died yet) is the excited news that JS used a hat to translate and nobody but them knows it! It doesn't matter how many times official church publications are trotted out that prove otherwise, this one just isn't going to die.