TheTanakas Posted Friday at 03:06 PM Posted Friday at 03:06 PM Last week's Come Follow Me dealt with Job chapters 1-3; 12-13. "The opening chapters of Job emphasize, in a poetic way, Satan’s role as our adversary or accuser; they don’t describe an actual interaction between God and Satan." Job 42:7 says God spoke to both Job and Eliphaz. Was this also poetic?
AnchoredinChrist Posted Friday at 05:38 PM Posted Friday at 05:38 PM (edited) In the Torah, the Book of Job is included in the "Poetry" section, not the "History" section. I think the whole story of Job is a work of allegorical prose/poetry literature, and not a true or accurate history of a man. Edited Friday at 05:47 PM by AnchoredinChrist 3
the narrator Posted Friday at 06:08 PM Posted Friday at 06:08 PM Job is based on an older Sumerian legend which provides the main framing beginning with chapters 1 and 2, and concluding with 42:7-17. This is the standard story and part that people generally only read. The rest is an Israelite poem calling into question the very premise of the story, rejecting it, and even has Job announce that someone would avenge him by punishing God for such an injustice. 2
Pyreaux Posted Friday at 07:41 PM Posted Friday at 07:41 PM (edited) 22 hours ago, TheTanakas said: Last week's Come Follow Me dealt with Job chapters 1-3; 12-13. "The opening chapters of Job emphasize, in a poetic way, Satan’s role as our adversary or accuser; they don’t describe an actual interaction between God and Satan." Job 42:7 says God spoke to both Job and Eliphaz. Was this also poetic? Your "gotcha" attempt relies on a false equivalency between literary framing/genre and theological truth claims. Who even wrote the Book of Job and when? Job himself? Did he himself enter the council of the sons of God to witness Job 1 happen? No. Mainstream biblical scholars generally agree that the Book of Job is a piece of wisdom literature and dramatic poetry, not a transcript of the event. Latter-day Saints recognize Job himself as a real individual who suffered immensely (Ezekiel 14:14, James 5:11). Thought to be a patriarchal era figure, but the "book" of Job seems to be penned by an anonymous scribe after the fall of Jerusalem to answer why bad things happen to good people. Come Follow Me seems to be trying to help readers look past a somewhat jarring image of God making a "bet" with Satan, and instead focus on the doctrinal takeaways. To your question, if the prologue is poetic, then God speaking in chapter 42 must also be poetic (i.e., made up)? No, you can use a dramatic literary device in the beginning to set up a real spiritual resolution at the end. Concerning truth, even a made-up story can teach the truth. Is it not true that Satan and the rival sons of God are our adversaries*, and suffering is not always a direct punishment for sin? Are Jesus' parables "true" stories? No, Jesus' parables were not literal, historical events. He made them up to teach spiritual principles. * Job 1:6 "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them"). The "to present themselves" (yatsal contextualized in council settings) is the exact same root used in places like Psalm 2:2 "The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord". That the assembly wasn't just a peaceful, harmonious meeting of angels standing at attention. Instead, imply a scene of confrontation, rivalry, or dissent, where heavenly beings are taking counsel against or challenging Yahweh. Edited Saturday at 02:00 PM by Pyreaux 1
TheTanakas Posted yesterday at 02:23 PM Author Posted yesterday at 02:23 PM (edited) On 8/21/2026 at 3:41 PM, Pyreaux said: To your question, if the prologue is poetic, then God speaking in chapter 42 must also be poetic (i.e., made up)? On what basis do you believe the conversation between Satan and God is a poetic rendition instead of actual one? Were the limits the Lord put on Satan to test Job also poetic? Edited yesterday at 02:32 PM by TheTanakas
Eschaton Posted yesterday at 05:40 PM Posted yesterday at 05:40 PM (edited) The problem of course is that Satan in Job is not the Satan of Christianity. He's a member of the divine council and he's not working in opposition to God. He's just testing Job's loyalty, and God lets him. Trying to map Job onto LDS or Christian theology doesn't work well because their Satan basically functions as the god of evil. In Job Satan is on God's side. Edited yesterday at 05:41 PM by Eschaton 1
Pyreaux Posted yesterday at 09:41 PM Posted yesterday at 09:41 PM (edited) 23 hours ago, TheTanakas said: On what basis do you believe the conversation between Satan and God is a poetic rendition instead of actual one? Were the limits the Lord put on Satan to test Job also poetic? On basis of its location in the Bible. Job is placed directly inside the Ketuvim (the Writings), alongside Proverbs and Psalms, encompassing poetry and wisdom literature. On the basis of its structure, Chapters 3 through 42 are written in structured Hebrew verse. There is a stylized, symmetrical rhythm to it. Like the repetitive messengers bringing bad news, or the very precise numbers of livestock. I believe there was a Job, and there was a council of malicious sons of God, and there were people and territory under the protection of one son of God while off limits to the other sons of God, unless given permission by that son of God. Or they'll go to war. If this "adversary" was Baal, or one of the other sons of El, he would not be allowed to destroy Job's property, livestock, servants, and even kill his children, unless the Lord of Israel first gave him permission. Whether literal or poetic liberties were taken, the boundaries described do have a real theological basis. The phrase in Job 1:6, the sons of God came "to present themselves before the LORD," can be understood as taking a position before or even against the Lord. It is like a courtroom with an accuser "among" them raising a challenge to Yahweh's judgment concerning Job. Edited 9 hours ago by Pyreaux
InCognitus Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 11 hours ago, TheTanakas said: On what basis do you believe the conversation between Satan and God is a poetic rendition instead of actual one? Were the limits the Lord put on Satan to test Job also poetic? The book of Job is classified as Wisdom Literature in the Bible (among the different genres of the Bible). It's like the Proverbs and Ecclesiastes. And this video explains the role of "ha satan" (the satan) in the book of Job, among other things. I highly recommend it. 1
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