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Not only is the general public getting tired of the "tran hysteria" but the gay community is pushing back at it: https://www.dailysignal.com/2026/08/24/lgbtq-crack-up-human-rights-campaign-slams-log-cabin-republicans-for-rejecting-transgender-activism/?utm_source=TDS_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=texas-pastors-gather-as-experts-warn-of-sharia-law-and-islamic-influence&_bhlid=98a6e89f70efd94a44cd75070047aef6552930c9

The way that chat presents this, I read it the same way you did. Then I wondered if “arguments” might imply evidence and data included and not just “him arguing” about why he’s right? I couldn’t tell if there’s more backing up his assertions or not.

A past ward of ours had part of a retirement community and had that same thing. One particular street of nicknamed "Celestial Street" because so many of them lived on it. It wasn't very long. Just everyone moving in didn't end up living long.

I'd just like to add, that beyond the above, it seems to be there are plenty of intermediate steps that could be taken. If people are abusing bathroom access based on gender identification to harass women (something that hasn't been proven as far as I can see), add a restriction that says gender must be changed officially before allowing access. You could require concrete steps to be demonstrated (such as hormones) etc. For locker rooms or other areas where nudity is allowed, you could require bottom surgery. There are all types of steps that can be taken to address these concerns that don't target trans people for vigilantism and additional discrimination.

Since I don’t have Alpert’s book, I had Chat summarize his evidence that therapy culture is contributing to levels of anxiety. I am not impressed. So anecdotal and correlation. Smac, if this was an argument showing being LDS increased anxiety based on a Utah therapist’s own clinical experience, someone who specialized in LDS who were distancing themselves from the Church or who had left, also based in part on extensive claims those who had left the Church saying they were happier and less anxious ( of which there are plenty) using the same type of evidence you would be pointing out all the problems with said conclusion. I need to see more empirical data demonstrating his claims before I invest in exploring your hypotheticals.

I agree. Hence the propriety of the pieces statement here: "It's time to consider the possibility that we've become over-therapized, and examine how this practice, intended to heal, may be making us weaker instead of stronger." It would be interesting to see how causation could be quantified in this context. What are your thoughts about the two books referenced in the article? "Bad Therapy" and "Therapy Nation: How America Got Hooked on Therapy and Why It's Left Us More Anxious and Divided"? Salient points. Worth considering. Alpert published an article in May: Psychotherapist reveals why therapy might be doing you more harm than good "Systems of oppression" is a political concept. Odd to see it deployed in an individual therapeutic setting. "{T}herapists steer conversations toward race, gender and oppression regardless of why they came in." So the question perhaps is not "Is this happening?", but rather "How prevalent is this sort of thing?" This seems like a good point. "The therapy office should not be a political battleground." That sounds right. Thanks, -Smac

My ward here is a little backward so it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s a church policy that we just don’t do. My ward is mostly very old people, and they struggle with technology. We haven’t even been here two years yet and I bet we have a funeral every other month from an older person who has passed away.

I'm not sure there can be a perfect system. Bathrooms are a space where everyone deserves to feel safe and respected. Male presenting people in a woman's bathroom can result in women not feeling safe. That's a problem. Bathroom laws like the one in discussion don't fix it. This was a viral case from a few weeks ago. A man accompanied his daughters into the women's restroom at a truck stop: https://texaslegalgiants.com/dad-confronted-womens-restroom-texas-sb8-law/ . Laws based on biological sex allow this and other exceptions like cleaning or caring for the disabled. Additionally, Laws based on biological sex also require trans-men to use the women's bathroom. So under Kansas's law, some men are allowed in the bathroom. Other men are required to use the women's bathroom. In addition it creates a vigilante system of justice that will likely catch many gender ambiguous people in the mix. So under the Kansas regime, sometimes women will see men in the restroom. On the other hand, states like California protect bathroom access based on professed gender identity. To my knowledge (based on limited research) this has not resulted in any increase in bathroom harassment, but if this isn't the case I'd like to know. This means sometimes a masculine looking trans-woman might be in the women's bathroom. How is this worse than a Masculine looking trans-men in the women's bathroom?

I'm assuming if I search, I'll find the OP broad-painting the demographic that was represented in the most violent attack on an LDS congregation in recent history, that happened less than a year ago? Y'know, for consistency.

Correlation is not causation. It’s not like nothing else anxiety producing in our world has changed so it can only be therapy that is driving up anxiety. How about more people going to therapy because for more the level of anxiety has gone up dramatically? This is like claiming the Church makes people depressed because antidepressants are prescribed at a higher rate in Utah. Why don’t I point to the increase of lawyers as contributing to the increase in anxiety? Or maybe I should point to the increase of household debt, obesity, single person households, internet use (possibly contributing to loneliness) and other factors known already demonstrated as contributing to anxiety. This is not to say that all therapists are good or that everyone is helped by therapy. There are some bad therapists out there and there are clients in long term therapy that aren’t benefitting from said therapy. Diagnosis of anxiety going up also does not mean anxiety itself has gone up (see Utah’s example of antidepressant use). People being more willing to admit they have anxiety could be a contributor.

Could it be by state if there is state level privacy law?

This was 4 different stakes in 2 states so it's more widespread than that, but who knows how far.

hmmm ok yea I do t care if you take it down or not it isn’t anything I’ll lose any sleep over. Was just curious. coming from a stake pres family… those guys pretty much do whatever they want.

If there’s one thing that I admire about you, it’s that you are nothing if not consistent. You never disappoint in your ability to lambast the church for both doing and also not doing something. It’s definitely your superpower.

Yep … of course that is something that can be blamed completely on the members for not reading all the policy manuals. Heaven forbid the church train the bishops in anything except how to count money and to not report child molesters. Those two categories they are expert at.

Ok… I was wondering . Thx

They are still doing a sign-up list on the bishop’s door in my current Ward so it could be a policy that all stakes aren’t enforcing or maybe it was just from that one Stake. It’s really hard to tell sometimes where these directives come from.

I have been called ("diagnosed as"?) a narcissist. I'm not sure what credentials the person who "diagnosed" me has, if any. To the best of my knowledge, I've never even met this person, let alone interacted with him or her in any way beyond a brief on-line exchange. But, I'm sure this person has more than sufficient credentials to enable one to make such a diagnosis, reliably and validly. I'm sure even that brief, not-in-person interaction told this "therapist" everything one needed to know. Q.E.D. [?????]

No one is using circles? I thought the church was really pushing that.

Oh well. Almost 50 years old and no one ever said a thing about it. The church really sucks at embracing their own secret agenda. 😉

They were probably invited but if we didn’t bring them unless we had to because we didn’t have a babysitter.

No, I don't, and I am not seeing it with an easy search, though I am seeing some people talk about it. It's not a priority to find it, so I am happy to retract that, according to board rules, as being a churchwide thing unless someone else does find it. I just know that when it happened when my husband was in, it came down from at least a stake level. The rule was that the list with names couldn't be shown to others. So what I have seen in the wards I have been in was: 1. calling everyone (my husband was specifically asked to do this). 2. Sit in the foyer, announce the exec will be out there, and then people come up to him to make appointments, and he then contacts those who didn't. 3. Email everyone or text. 4. The exec sec just approached people at church and then maybe called others. This year we might have been emailed? I'm not sure, as I have taken my email off the site and only my husband's is there. The bishop and I have talked about my beliefs about the church so only my husband would be approached on that, and I just don't remember how this year.

Looks like I misunderstood something you said. Also, though, I didn’t assume something happened to you personally. Nevertheless, I erased my post.

Do you have an official church source that says signup lists or using signup genius and similar tools are prohibited? Are you saying church policy is for the executive secretary to literally call or corner each ward member in the hallway to set up appointments? If that’s the policy it’s freakin dumb.

Honestly, it has been that way for some time. It has been 20+ years since my husband was exec secretary and he hated the change because he has always hated the phone even in chorded days. But being in 4 different wards and multiple bishops since then, I've noticed they didn't all follow the practice. You can tell, though when someone has been told from higher above them or they read the handbook or they decide it is important because they change and stop having signups.