Where Did The Different Races And Ethnicities Come From?

[wenglund]

Different races like the Monaco Grand Prix, Indy 500, 24hr Le Mans, Daytona 500, etc. (see HERE) came contra-evolutionary from grown men still wanting to play with toys.

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[Spammer]

We'll, I know it's not likely for all races, but given that many things in the scriptures follow patterns and are repeated, it's quite possible to me that the Lord has done similar things to groups of people like he did to the Lamanites.  It could be for disobedience, direct apostasy against so much light, etc. etc., or whatever reasons He has had.   Only a genetic modification could explain the change that came over Laman and co. to make the sugsequent generations have the same change.  And yes, I believe that was the Lord's doing, and not because they spent too much time in the sun.  I know that's not particularly politically correct, but there it is.

 

Makes you wonder what the ancestors of East Asian and Southeast Asian peoples did to cause the Lord to curse and genetically modify their DNA to give their eyes epicanthic folds?  I wonder what my ancestors did to cause God to curse them with white skin?  Perhaps some lost scriptures will one day be found that describe an ancient rebellion among all of these ancestors.

Edited August 26, 2014 by Spammer

[thesometimesaint]

What does God look like? What race and nationality is God? You think you know, but do you really know? Is there proof of what God looks like, his race and nationality? Remember, we are all created in God’s image so when I see a black person, white person, asian person, so on and on, I see God in them.

How do we know what Adam and Eve look like? What their race and nationality was? Do we know for sure about them too?

How do we know if there was or wasn’t more than one race and nationality created somewhere down the line in God’s image? How do we know God didn’t add a little more that has not been written or spoken of?

All I know and need to know is that I see images of God in all of his people regardless of race and nationality. I am okay with that. I also know never, ever, to past judgment on anyone based on race or nationality. Such judgment is wrong.

Oh and what race and nationality are you? Am I? I don’t even know about me for sure given I am adopted and live in the United States but speak with a mix British / Irish accent. 

 

It is more important to me that I look like God than he looks like me.

[MormonFreeThinker]

I can't help you if you don't read it.

 

Can you please answer my question, why do you believe in a Old Earth? 

[Calm]

What does God look like? What race and nationality is God? You think you know, but do you really know? Is there proof of what God looks like, his race and nationality? Remember, we are all created in God’s image so when I see a black person, white person, asian person, so on and on, I see God in them.

How do we know what Adam and Eve look like? What their race and nationality was? Do we know for sure about them too?

How do we know if there was or wasn’t more than one race and nationality created somewhere down the line in God’s image? How do we know God didn’t add a little more that has not been written or spoken of?

All I know and need to know is that I see images of God in all of his people regardless of race and nationality. I am okay with that. I also know never, ever, to past judgment on anyone based on race or nationality. Such judgment is wrong.

Oh and what race and nationality are you? Am I? I don’t even know about me for sure given I am adopted and live in the United States but speak with a mix British / Irish accent.

Whatever skin colour he has, he's at least a nice toasty tan given all that glorious light flooding around in heaven. Bet it is better than the best tanning salon and no issue with skin cancer so soak up as much as one wants.

[SmileyMcGee]

The Prophet Joseph Smith didn't teach where it is, but maybe the human Joseph Smith did.

Good heavens, I have some oceanfront property in colorado that I'd love to sell to you.

Edited August 28, 2014 by SmileyMcGee

[SmileyMcGee]

Different races like the Monaco Grand Prix, Indy 500, 24hr Le Mans, Daytona 500, etc. (see HERE) came contra-evolutionary from grown men still wanting to play with toys.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Hahaha...probably the best comment on the thread.

[EllenMaksoud]

I still believe in the Bible stories, but I am curious if we are descendants of Noah and the flood, where did Asians comes from, blacks, Hispanics, etc. How did we develop so many different races and nationalities? This has been used as a reason why some people don't believe in the Bible. I even had a friend ask me this same question and I didn't have the answer.

 

The same goes for Neanderthals who once lived on the earth. Did they live before Adam and Eve?

According to the founder of a certain faith, Earth is a prison planet and the different races here were criminals and dissenters from other worlds. Australia was a prison colony at first. America is where the English put the dissenters. 

[Sevenbak]

Sevenbak, on 25 Aug 2014 - 5:23 PM, said:

We'll, I know it's not likely for all races, but given that many things in the scriptures follow patterns and are repeated, it's quite possible to me that the Lord has done similar things to groups of people like he did to the Lamanites.  It could be for disobedience, direct apostasy against so much light, etc. etc., or whatever reasons He has had.   Only a genetic modification could explain the change that came over Laman and co. to make the sugsequent generations have the same change.  And yes, I believe that was the Lord's doing, and not because they spent too much time in the sun.  I know that's not particularly politically correct, but there it is.

 

Makes you wonder what the ancestors of East Asian and Southeast Asian peoples did to cause the Lord to curse and genetically modify their DNA to give their eyes epicanthic folds?  I wonder what my ancestors did to cause God to curse them with white skin?  Perhaps some lost scriptures will one day be found that describe an ancient rebellion among all of these ancestors.

It does make you wonder.  I'm not saying it's the way it was done, but I am saying that the Lord follows patterns, and always has.  It would not surprise me in the least if one day we learn that there were more races than the Lamanites which came about because of direct disobedience.

[SmileyMcGee]

Seriously? I believe evolution makes as much sense as the bible (not much) but that is a terrible argument!

1- the water came up and left it alone and went down.

2- the flood actually moved it off center like that

3- if you believe in the flood you don't believe in dating systems that date the formation before the flood.

4- the flood caused the erosion in the first place.

5- aliens put it there.

Want more?

Once we start taking theories apart, all have flaws.

This comment is disappointing because you usually have thoughtful insights.

[SmileyMcGee]

We'll, I know it's not likely for all races, but given that many things in the scriptures follow patterns and are repeated, it's quite possible to me that the Lord has done similar things to groups of people like he did to the Lamanites.  It could be for disobedience, direct apostasy against so much light, etc. etc., or whatever reasons He has had.   Only a genetic modification could explain the change that came over Laman and co. to make the sugsequent generations have the same change.  And yes, I believe that was the Lord's doing, and not because they spent too much time in the sun.  I know that's not particularly politically correct, but there it is.

Not only is your comment politically incorrect but it espouses white supremacy and is just pure nonsense. It reflects a dangerous, illogical, and very stupid view of humanity.

[Sevenbak]

"Not only is your comment politically incorrect but it espouses white supremacy and is just pure nonsense. It reflects a dangerous, illogical, and very stupid view of humanity."

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Smiley, your interpretation and conclusion are not only incorrect, but your rebuke about my racism is unwarranted and over the top.

While I know my comments are politically incorrect, as I stated at the beginning, I also try to follow the council against it.

We have been warned against PC in terms of serving other false gods. Multiple prophets and apostles have warned if it's dangers.

Also, god is not a racist. Period, end of story. That is a PC term. That he changed the Lamanites is not racist. That Adam and Eve were the parents of all mankind is not racist. How all peoples came about is still unknown, but to assume I am racist because I said God follows patterns in history is a real stretch.

Listen, I have a adopted Native American sister. I have blacks in my family. I also know that the Lord has more promises in store for the Lamanites than for us "adopted" Gentiles. Again, God is not racist or Politically Correct. Let's try not to be either, ok?

[Spammer]

The belief that God changes a people's skin color due to an ancestor's disobedience is a racist artifact used by white supremacists to justify slavery and laws like those of the Jim Crow system.

[SmileyMcGee]

"Not only is your comment politically incorrect but it espouses white supremacy and is just pure nonsense. It reflects a dangerous, illogical, and very stupid view of humanity."

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Smiley, your interpretation and conclusion are not only incorrect, but your rebuke about my racism is unwarranted and over the top.

While I know my comments are politically incorrect, as I stated at the beginning, I also try to follow the council against it.

We have been warned against PC in terms of serving other false gods. Multiple prophets and apostles have warned if it's dangers.

Also, god is not a racist. Period, end of story. That is a PC term. That he changed the Lamanites is not racist. That Adam and Eve were the parents of all mankind is not racist. How all peoples came about is still unknown, but to assume I am racist because I said God follows patterns in history is a real stretch.

Listen, I have a adopted Native American sister. I have blacks in my family. I also know that the Lord has more promises in store for the Lamanites than for us "adopted" Gentiles. Again, God is not racist or Politically Correct. Let's try not to be either, ok?

If you don't like being called a white supremacist then stop making comments that are. To believe that darker skin is the result of sin is to attribute a higher level of relative purity to white people. that is irrational and stupid. Having a mixed race family does not justify you in making asinine statements about skin color.

I also don't believe God to be a racist. I believe the racism found in the bible, BOM, and statements by modern prophets to be the projections of idiotic beliefs of men on to the character of god.

Save us your stupidity and keep your beliefs about skin color to yourself.

 

Tone it down and do not call anyone a white supremacist. ~mods

[mfbukowski]

This comment is disappointing because you usually have thoughtful insights.

And you usually comprehend better than most.

This is what I was pointing towards, as shown in post 62

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FB%3AJGPS.0000005086.09598.5e

 

But I don't think it would do much good to get into Derrida and Wittgenstein here.

Edited August 31, 2014 by mfbukowski

[mfbukowski]

Not only is your comment politically incorrect but it espouses white supremacy and is just pure nonsense. It reflects a dangerous, illogical, and very stupid view of humanity.

What IS a "logical" and "non-stupid" view of humanity?

 

Since when is morality "logical"?  Obviously I agree that racism is immoral, but logic is about the rules of deduction and really has no relevance to morality.  Unless of course you are Mr Spock, for whom anything he doesn't like becomes "illogical".  Unfortunately that has no basis in logic.

Edited August 31, 2014 by mfbukowski

[mfbukowski]

Suppose a huge huge sample of humanity were given tests and conclusive "proof" was obtained, showing perhaps that Asians are indeed a "super race".  Or any race.

 

What would that do to our ideas of "racism"?  Would the study be "stupid and illogical"?

 

Jest stirrin the pot.

[ERayR]

Suppose a huge huge sample of humanity were given tests and conclusive "proof" was obtained, showing perhaps that Asians are indeed a "super race".  Or any race.

 

What would that do to our ideas of "racism"?  Would the study be "stupid and illogical"?

 

Jest stirrin the pot.

 

Flawed study as it is not politically correct.

[Sevenbak]

If you don't like being called a white supremacist then stop making comments that are. To believe that darker skin is the result of sin is to attribute a higher level of relative purity to white people. that is irrational and stupid. Having a mixed race family does not justify you in making asinine statements about skin color.

I also don't believe God to be a racist. I believe the racism found in the bible, BOM, and statements by modern prophets to be the projections of idiotic beliefs of men on to the character of god.

Save us your stupidity and keep your beliefs about skin color to yourself.

Wow, from your statement, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I don't care one way or another what you call me, white supremacist or not.  I know who I am, and what my values are, and I most certainly don't agree that Book of Mormon prophets had idiotic beliefs about racism.

 

If you can't even agree with Nephi, there's absolutely no point in trying to even understand what I'm trying to say.

 

But if you're willing to try, here's a hint.  The curse of the Lord was not about skin color, it was separation from God because of disobedience.  The skin color mark was so the people would not mix and God would have a righteous people to do his purposes.

 

Call me what you will, I really don't care, given that I now understand your point of view regarding ancient and modern prophets. 

[katherine the great]

I'm trying to find an example of historic people who never mixed with their neighbors based only on their skin tone.  I just can't think of any.  I can think of many who did though:  Spaniards and Native Americans (Mestizos), American soldiers (white and black) with Japanese, Korean and Vietnamese women, the Moors and the Spaniards, the Romans and a vast array of European/Middle Eastern tribes, the Mongols and Europeans, the Huns and Europeans, White American slaveholders and their African slaves, the list goes on and on.  Unless there is some overriding legal, cultural or religious barrier, people tend to mix.  Skin color is not a deterrent.  Not now, not then.

[mfbukowski]

Flawed study as it is not politically correct.

Exactly!

[mfbukowski]

Wow, from your statement, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I don't care one way or another what you call me, white supremacist or not.  I know who I am, and what my values are, and I most certainly don't agree that Book of Mormon prophets had idiotic beliefs about racism.

 

If you can't even agree with Nephi, there's absolutely no point in trying to even understand what I'm trying to say.

 

But if you're willing to try, here's a hint.  The curse of the Lord was not about skin color, it was separation from God because of disobedience.  The skin color mark was so the people would not mix and God would have a righteous people to do his purposes.

 

Call me what you will, I really don't care, given that I now understand your point of view regarding ancient and modern prophets. 

Marvin Perkins delivered an excellent talk at the recent Fairmormon Conference.

 

He argues convincingly that the color differences refer to spiritual qualities, not skin tone.  The "skin of darkness" refers to scales over their spiritual eyes, like this:

Acts 9:17

 

And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. 18And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

Isaiah 44:18

 

They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.

Unfortunately the talk is still not available on their website

The Book of Jacob makes it clear that the difference between the Lamanites and Nephites was one of righteousness, not racial.  Jacob 1

 

 14 But I, Jacob, shall not hereafter distinguish them by these names, but I shall call them Lamanites that seek to destroy the people of Nephi, and those who are friendly to Nephi I shall call Nephites, or the people of Nephi, according to the reigns of the kings.

 

Edited August 31, 2014 by mfbukowski

[Tiki]

1 Corinthians 9:24

24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

Hebrews 12:1

1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Oops! That's a diiferent race.

My bad.

[ERayR]

Marvin Perkins delivered an excellent talk at the recent Fairmormon Conference.

 

He argues convincingly that the color differences refer to spiritual qualities, not skin tone.  The "skin of darkness" refers to scales over their spiritual eyes, like this:

Acts 9:17

Isaiah 44:18

Unfortunately the talk is still not available on their website

The Book of Jacob makes it clear that the difference between the Lamanites and Nephites was one of righteousness, not racial.  Jacob 1

 

Try this:

http://www.blacklds.org/perkins

 

http://blacksinthescriptures.com/in-the-news/

 

fourth one down is an older presentation.

Edited September 1, 2014 by ERayR

[SmileyMcGee]

But if you're willing to try, here's a hint. The curse of the Lord was not about skin color, it was separation from God because of disobedience. The skin color mark was so the people would not mix and God would have a righteous people to do his purposes.

i.e., dark skin color = sign of disobedience; therefore do not mix. White skin = obedient. How is that not white supremacy? Why do righteous dark skinned people not turn white (as prophesied in the BOM)? Why does God seem to not make white serial killers and genocidal dictators dark anymore? Why did god not turn hitler or Stalin and their descendants dark? Why don't apostates turn black? Shouldn't every exmormon at an exmormon foundation conference have darker skin now so that we know not to mix with them? Should we keep going?

The problem with stupidity is that it breeds even more stupidity. The dark skin = disobedience theory is stupidity and it has bred stupidity. Believe what you want but keep your nonsense to yourself.