Bill “Papa” Lee

I apologize for coming on too strong. I am just two old, and too set in my ways. I am appear that I am just too rigid in my believe in the Scriptures, and the Prophet, believing in all of our Standard Works. I just fear that things have become a little too progressive, when it comes to doctrine in these Latter-days, at least when it comes to many discussion boards, which is why. I only have membership here. But this is now a Young Man and Woman world, I would have left long ago, but it gives me a place to talk to those who watch a worry about me all day long. I have have only hung around so long, due to the severe isolation that both my illnesses and injuries, that life has placed upon me. A long time friend recently told me sto be governed on the Ward and Stake level, by consensus. A couple of weeks ago, I attended Sunday School, were I seldom speak. We were on a topic where many scriptures teach oh Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ are one, as we should be. I said, if you want to know how they are one, only only needs to read…”. I was.cut off by a young woman (wife), telling me, “you should know better, there is no trinity”. I explained that “the confusion for various beliefs can easily be understood by the words of Jesus Christ himself, in his prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane, in short, his own words”. When I asked her, i”would she like know where to read it” he reply was an firm, “absoluteness NO”. Let’s face it, Papa is now a a fossil, long past my “sell by date”. Again my apologies, I needed to apologize, so Papa out.

Family history is wonderful, but if you go back and find the sermon that President (The Prophet) Gordon B. Hinckley, and his remark that “Tattoos, are graffiti on the Temple of God”, so I believe him. I also believe what the Scriptures teach us. It clearly, identifies, or tells us that the “our bodies are also Temples, where the Holy Spirit dwells, or should dwell. To mark our bodies, s willfully making our bodies or our own Temples. This is a deliberate act, to deface the Temple. Akin to painting graffiti on the building of the Temple. Sorry, but it is violation, to treat our bodies with little regard. I know I am getting old, and more and more I do not recognize what our Church seems to be morphing into. I have indeed outlived my usefulness, and it would seem I even outlived life. Priesthood blessing have save me so often, but my mind is tired. Anyway, sorry for my opinions, and for having a very difficult day. Going to sign off for a while, forgive me if I was or am to upset. I will be signing off for awhile, but as the Scriptures teach us, “Pray for the peace in Jerusalem”, I fear this war will lead to another World War, I pray it does not, either way, everyone should prepare for a long hard winter, as this might cause many shortages, food, stock markets hitting all 401k’s, etc. The last days are upon us, do as our Prophets have taught us, store food, water, and other things we may need to survive, Sorry for any, or many errors. But be safe and be well. Signing off for now, I think it is time…love you all.

Sorry, you can’t edit after an hour or two. My final line was should have been, as was proclaimed, by the Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, (I say Proclaimed, as I listen to all Prophets, when they speak, as I always do so),. He proclaimed, “that tattoos are graffiti upon the Temple of God”.This comes from the Scriptures, and I believe, words of the very words of Jesus, Christ, that our bodies are also theTemple, and should be filled always with the Holy Spirt. I also listen, because they both, quote, or back up their sermons, or quotes From scripture. There are many things, I need to correct, when I posted this, I was so very weak, and was not feeling well,, after posting this, when I called my wife, when she saw me she was frantic, when she checked my blood sugar, we were both amazed I was not in another coma. I have already been in the three times in this calendar year. Since July, or early August, of last year, I went to the hospital in an ambulance, and spent seven days in UCU. I am tired, I am unable to be of use to anyone in my family, sadly I am a burden to those I love. Like my other post, I should have died so many times, so long ago. EDT: There may be some here with tattoos, if you got then before joined the Church, Baptism forgives all, so it does not matter. If you have gotten then as a member, because of the Atonement, forgiveness is always available. In fact, not even sure it you would even need to tell your Bishop.

Some of these things I might have mentioned before. Therefore, I may repeat some things, that I may have done before. If so, please forgive me beforehand. Recently, I have done a lot of genealogy, to do research for many reasons. Much of which is to involve my my Children, and better yet, my grandchildren, to inspire them to follow the commandments of the Prophets and Apostles, and also inspire them to discover our wonderful history. A history that dates back for over 200+ years here in the Atlanta area, and to introduce a number of homes that are listed on the historical retested, homes that have stood for almost 200+ years. Along with the Churches established for the and 2+ centuries. This to spire the many accomplishes of our family dating back to 1813, and that is just the Atlanta area, the State of Georgia, just 59-100 miles away, dating back to the early 1700’s, before the Revolutionary War, predating our Nation, we call America. My goal of course, is to inspire those I love, and by so doing help to discover our wonderful ancestry. Research that has thankfully given, and now having passed to my Adult children, and my grandchildren. Not only do I wish to pass this history down, but pass it to a more a much more tech-savvy generation, so they can pass it to future generations. For the present, my oldest granddaughter, can attend the Temple in Peru, when she as a missionary can attend the Temple, and continue our family’s work, we her family of course.. Due to their assistance, so many names have been placed in our Temple files. As a result, those I lone, I can only hope to be able to do all I can for my family’. When I went for my granddaughter’s endowment, allI was physically able to do, was a few “Sealings”, with the help of good fiends, then when the time came, I was able to go in the Celestial Room, when he group entered. I wish I could have done more, and I’d Gods is Willing, soon I might be able. I will be missing my oldest granddaughter. I will also hope, and pray, as well hope that time will pass quickly, and pray that God will Protect her, and keep her ever in his care as my greatest care and protection. For I have loved her, more than any could ever love her. As my oldest granddaughter, went through for her endowment, to get ready for her more than any could ever match! mission. I was unable to do little, only able to do endowments, while waiting to enter the Celestial Room, just before she entered. I am so grateful for the many workers, and friends who came to help me. I have many wonderful friends, who took the time out of their busy Saturday. I was able to help with some sealiings, as the “officiator displayed patience, while others help me up and down. I tried to stand up and sit down as much as I was able, but after a few times I got very shaky, almost falling one. I also have many issues that make it difficult to travel and attend the Temple as often, as I would wish. These very Children, and grandchildren, have been able to accomplish much for my (their) ancestry. In addition, because missionaries can attend the Temple, my granddaughter will be able, since I have been told, to attend the Temple in Peru, and can help do work, since Temple files can be shared (or so I hope) at her Temples, for the next 18 months, anywhere on the Earth (I pray). In addition, my son not only found my wife’s great grandmother x4, or x5 in his case, on his search, he found her photo, in her full Cherokee, buckskin outfit. Which was indeed a tearful filled joy for my dear wife. The reason why I posted of the need for ancestral research, it is not just for allowing Temple work, but also to help us, member or not, Temple worthy or not, etc, etc, etc. It allows to connect on who we are, why we are, and why we are who we are. No matter what, it is a way to reconnect us as a family, estranged or not, it can and will reunite us as a family. A way to heal wounds, no matter how deep, no matter how much the hurt. Most people no matter their condition. No matter how lost a person my be, no matter how hurt, most if not all, want to know their origins, their beginning, or the story of their story. Be it good or bad, be it joyful, be it sorrowful, even why they look as they do, sound as they do, even to know, was there ever live. Just like the questions missionaries ask everybody. 1) Who am I? 2) Where did I come from. 3) Where amI going? These questions can be found in the Scriptures, or in our Ancestry, or so we hope. As always, organize errors. But we have had so many warnings, “Let us all continue going, or if we are lacking, let us return to the Holy House of God”. And for the young, head the counsel of the Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, Tattooes are Gaftoos

I am embarrassed at my typos, an other errors in grammar. I hate to keep showing my errors, and lack of real intelligence, or total lack thereof!

True, but my wife knows every site I visit, and every password I use, on every site. I try to always be an open an honest husband. These near deaths, I kept to myself o keep form worry.

I should have spelled out, “and all who planned and implemented”, however I mistakenly used the “and all you”, not all who!

I waited for a while to post this, but the last time I was in the hospital, shortly after giving me something to relax me, a nurse asked me, “are you alright”. When she asked “if I was afraid”, being a bit loopy, I told her, “not at all, I have faced many hazards, and never thought I would still be alive’. While under these drugs that lower you what you might not always say, I said too much. I told my wife, “well my love, I never expected to be here today, not at all”. She, unwilling to let it go, asked me why? Therefore, I began to tell her the many near death experiences that I faced, due to the ambitions brother on by the drugs given me before being put under. Thing I had never before shared… 1. Near fatal experience in Army Basic Training, when I woke to have a large knife to my throat, and a madman holding it, as 20 men pleading for my life, until he could be subdued. The knife holder, was sent to military prison for a long time. 2 Four crash landings in military aircraft. 3. Having a Russian Soldier point an AK-47 at my chest, while patrolling the East/West Germany Border, from only 50 meters away. I had stopped to check my Jeep, only to look and and see my situation in real time. Also to notice, more than one had their weapons pointed at the opposing (Russian) soldier! I don’t think I have ever held my breath that long since. Not even in a plane or helicopter cash landing! 4. Also, being involved in four different times of being shot at, during my 23 years as a Police Officer, for the City of Atlanta. I would ask my wife what else I might have told her about. I do know, but when she asked “why I did not tell her”, I said, “it is because one cannot just quit the Army, nor abandon a career. All of which you would have asked me to do”. Anyway, it caused many harsh discussions since. My advice to my fellow brothers, refuse the calming drugs before surgery, instead…”bite the bullet”!!!!

Some of those taken, are American citizens. If they die at the hands of Hamas, (very bad for them) if they die in a rescue attempt, still very bad, but barely a difference. Either way, Hamas will pray a ver bloody price, A VERY BLOODY PRICE”. In short, “GAME OVER! Keep in mind, many hostages are American citizens, also…any good will Hamas has banked before, including any real money, IT IS FOREVER GONE!!!!!!!!! which means Hamas’ destruction, like the stone tablets are now shattered into millions of tiny rocks,. anything less will lead to war here in the U.S., as it should. Also, I believe that anywhere from 10-30 million Israelites are U.S. Citizens, living there and using, “Working Visas”. Because of this, the U.S. will have to make a very, very serious example, because of this behavior. My guess, is they are already dead. It may come to this, to save a country, the only ally we have in the Middle East, cannot, and will not show the kind of weakness we sometimes do. Whatever the outcome, those on the West Bank, or Hamas (hope I spelled it correctly, must not be able to make war again. This includes all of the weapons supplied by IRAN.

This is pure evil, and all you planned and implemented, they should pay dearly, and without mercy.

As to your title, this has been true of many dispensations, and peoples, as well as our own. The goal of goals, is to survive Spiritually, as we all die.

My granddaughter Macy is going to L.A. Mission until her visa for Peru comes through. If her visa comes through, or so I am told.

I know that face well, the brown/blond hair with the red facial hair. Just like I was until it all turned grey, and almost everyone can play, sing, etc. Same eye color, looks like many if not most of my cousins, all from the lower and upper Appalachian Mountains. My youngest finally got rid of his ginger beard.

I recently read a story of a missionary who died while on her mission. My oldest granddaughter is currently in the MTC, she is there, but her assigned companion did not report. As a result she is paired with two other young women as a result. Oddly enough, my oldest Son’s in-laws are there at the same time, which is great for the short time they will be at the MTC. The “in-laws” (Dave and Shanna) have been preparing at home, for a while now to be Mission President, and whatever wives are called (Matrons maybe) preparing to go to Dubai, where they have missionaries? One week into their training, they have been reassigned to go to Morocco, where there are no missionaries. In fact this seems to be a trend, post COVID-19, have people agree to serve, then put them where they are needed, due to an ever changing landscape (metaphorically speaking). Is this the sign of an ever Ever Expanding Mission Field, or an Ever Decreasing Million Field? I worry when my babies, are not within my sphere of protection. Be it my children when they served, or my grand-babies now serving, because I need to know they are safe. My granddaughter Macy is supposed to serve in Peru, and she studied so much to serve in Peru, now she worries she might be sent elsewhere. Is the mission field increasing, or is it decreasing? Also is it decreasing as a result of fewer able to serve, or because few don’t want to hear our message? What has become of us post COVID-19, with fist bumps, rather than handshakes. Shorter meetings, with fewer in attendance. Something seems off… One thing I know, due to my many illnesses (four hospitalizations in one year), I have reached a point in my life, where “I need the Church, but the Church no longer needs me”. Anyway, just worried about my granddaughter, worried about where she is going, and worried if I will be here when she gets back. So, does anyone out West, know why things seem to be shifting so much?

I was speaking of, and suggesting that “Wives” endure the “lion share of heartbreak”, when their husbands were caught viewing this in secret, or even openly. It is true that there are also wives (women) who view porn, but compared to husbands or boyfriends, women pale in comparison. Either way, be it women or men, pornography scares, and grieves our very souls, that part of us that was given to us by God our Father, over time. When I was a Police Officer, I encountered so many married men in houses of ill repute. Some who would lament (or man-splianing), as to why they come here, just to do what their wives won’t do. Of course, we would arrest both men and woman. The men almost always said “I have never done anything like this before”. Sometimes, while trying to be understanding, and having a little time (waiting for the raid to end) I would speak, all the truth I could, about all that I had seen. I would ask them to think back, then I would tell them “it began first with pornography, then to strip clubs which were legal, and in the end it led you to the illegal; right? Nine of of ten times the replies were; yes. Every world monotheistic religion on earth, teaches laws and commandments, of the dangers and hazards of viewing such materials, even if was reminding them of the story of David. Most, before such material ever came into being. Commandments, especially now of the dangers were only a click away, or changing a channel away. I once taught a Sunday School class, where I spoke of the Holy Marriage, using both the assigned Scriptures, and quotes from General Authorities. Then while my wife was sitting there, I expanded a policy between the two of us, I told the class, “that every computer, every device, at home or in the office, my wife has my every password, to every site”. This still applies today, my wife, whenever she wants, can get my iPad, find every location I visit, and read anything I post, she might even read this one. After all just this last Friday, we meet 48 years ago, there is no her and myself, there is only “us”. The most shocking thing during that lesson, a 25+ year old wife, and mother, stood up visible angry, mumbling some very harsh words, and stormed out of the Chapel (where we were holding Sunday School at the time). She left before I finished, that this was not doctrine, but what we do in our home. From that point on, she would pass me in the halls, and turn sideways to avoid even a handshake. Even worse, that Brother and Sister ended up divorced about a year later, and I don’t know why. What I do know from practical experience, be it work, or callings in the Church. Secrets in a marriages are poison, especially secrets about anything to do with things of a sexual nature. Some may view pornography as harmless, or something that might improve their love life in marriage, but that is just a lie, I am sorry for being too long winded, or rather long-sentenced response. But I have seen in my duties on the job, the fallout, and carnage that follows from the first look if the devastation of both men and women. Especially women, and the horrors that led them to becoming involved in pornography, and prostitution, horrors that usually began in their home. That place when any child should be safe from the horrors of the world. As always forgive my copious mistakes, my eyes grow dimmer every day. Anyway, enough on this topic. God bless you all.

I was not imply to that anyone who spends more time away from home, was somehow good. But comparing these other things to porn, implies somehow all are equal. Porn is a sin with few if any equals.

Yes, if not married, they are viewing things that they believe that future wife wants. Thus they seek to turn their wives into a what they saw on (whichever forum). When they can’t, it leads to divorce.

I agree that not everyone shares in our belief. But Phonographic material leaves in its wake, broken homes and broken people. Also, I cannot imagine a single person in a marriage, most certainly women who find their husbands engaging in pornography, are not broken inside. Finding out that their husbands (for the lion share of this), seeking pleasure on a computer screen, or on TV, when they should be finding such pleasure in the “Marriage Bed”.

Again, why are you fighting so much and possibly (spiritually) dying on this very odd hill. A hill littered with the many souls of those who did not heed the words of the Lord, and the countless sermons on this very topic, in countless General Conference sermons. I do not wish to be rude, but “methinks thou protests too much”.

Forgive me, but where on earth are you trying to go with this? Comparing “porn”, to something as harmless as golf, lifting weights, etc., is just (again forgive me) SILLY!

My family is pressing me hard and heavy, to write about my wonderful life, made wonderful by them. As I have written many short stories, and many poems, many of which I have shared here at one time or another. Their first chose is get everything on my computer hard drive, but my oldest Son, Joshua, thinks I should share them here in this forum, as he wants me to have an outlet. He knows my password, and has instructions to notify anyone who wishes to know when I have passed, be it sooner or later. But, he also thinks it is good for my soul to share, as both my physical and mental health are both in decline. He also tells me that I could have much of it, in two places, on my computer, and here, will make retrieval more easily done. So, the question is (as stated) Could I, or should I? Some have been mods, and some may still be, just looking for advice?

Thank you, so much, you are such a treasure.

Really, you mean that our leaders were flawed men, made many mistakes, and at times made them worse by trying to rewrite, or retelling those mistakes. You want absolute truth, God only calls flawed men, and women, because there is no one who is flawless. Exposing every mole or wart, will only leave everyone naked, and stumbling around in the dark. This goes for every author of every book in the Bible, or and so-called “Holy Text”. May God help us all from the thought police, those who can only find happiness by tarring every down. But, that leads by the my first comment, “everyone is flawed”, so I will not tare them down, least my own flaws are made bare.

A couple of weeks ago, my granddaughter went through the Temple, to get ready for her mission to Peru. Do to my many health issues, we arrived early. My wife made it clear my disabilities would, or could cause problems during her ceremony. However, because we arrived waited foe the end of many granddaughter’s ceremony, I asked (to loudly) due to my hearing losses. So, my wife finished my question (we meet 48 years ago, that’s what happens when you have been together so long, you can just finish each other’s questions or statements) is there something we can do, while we wait? The patron at the Temple, spoke in a whisper to my wife, you could help with sealing. So we did a lot, and the Priesthood worker knew when we could go into most Holy of Rooms. When she found out who our granddaughter was, she told us, that everyone was talking about her. When I asked why, she replied, “many young women are here to be married, so they have many things on their minds. Many other young women who go through for their missions hardly ever ask questions when they are able”. She goes on and tells us “she did not only ask questions, but listened so intently, it was wonderful”. I told her, “she is a unique young lady, she worked, and saved up ever Dollar for her entire mission, and more would she need it, she decided she was going on a mission a long, long ago. Both her parents served missions, so somewhere around 13 she was driven toward that path, she. even saved babysitting money”. She then tells us, “the last thing, I will let you witness it for yourselves”. So we arrived early before people came into that Holy Room. Then all of these big people started coming in. Last of all our tiny Macy, all 5’1” tall granddaughter came it, and her Papa and Nanny, saw this 19, almost 20 years old, glowing, illuminated by the Holy Spirt, this what everyone saw, and knew we would see it also. I had been at the Atlanta Temple to help with tours, when the remodeling was finished, and before the it was to be redacted. I was working outside, directing tracking flow, and parking. However, my Bishop, and best friend was doing tours. So he was going to give me a tour at the end of the day, however people keep lingering, as they felt the Spirt as well. So, the tour was no longer possible. It happened to be the end of the day, it was the “day of Atonement, for the Jewish Faith”. I kept up with things like this, because then I worked with many of the Jewish Faith, so I would give them the day of, even if they that religious and didn’t ask, I read a lot about other faiths, you would thing I could sell better, huh? I was working, and unable to attended the reeducation, but a week o so after I could attend it again, but due to work, we decided we would attend on that Saturday, But that morning I suffered “Grand Mal Seizure”, so I had to get an ambulance ride. They made me an appointment with a neurologist on Monday, so my wife gets me out of the hospital, I go to an early morning appointment. On our ride home, just a mile from home, a very young man, with to much car, was driving to fast in the rain, he lost control of his car, he hits us with such Force, and hurts my and traps my wife and the accident breaks my back in three places, however running on pure adrenaline (I hope I spelled that right) I freed my wife from our truck. Once I got her from the truck, I started shackling all over and collapsed. So Saturday an Ambulance ride, and Monday another ambulance ride, both sides the same hospital, the same Emergency Room Doctor. Because of this it took almost 3 years just to attend a Sacrament meeting, I only tried once, to attend all three hours once, but it cost me weeks in bed. Thankfully Church is now only two hours, but t that is very taxing., the Temple trip for my granddaughter was so wonderful, afterwards however we had to drive many more miles into downtown in the City of Atlanta, because my youngest daughter Alicia was in the hospital and needed a blessing “from her Daddy” as she put it. She Normally calls me “Dad”, when she calls me “Daddy”, she is very sick, or very frightened. The point to this long post, go when you can, and as much as circumstance allow, one never know what my befall then. Also, I find out that the Temple will help anyone, we were able to bring globose tablets, Orange Juice, and word was sent out to everyone I would encounter of my health issues. This long winded post was also to issue that the Temple will help anyone who will to show up, they will help in anyway possible, and do anything within their power to help those who enter ,THE HOUSE OF THE LORD”, to feel welcome, useful, and truly needed. They are there to serve, and need us to serve. This (again) long winded message, that I placed in the primary folder, was to encourage, or seek for to book inspire others, but more so, to ask for similar stories, that others my know and understand that disabilities can be overcome, and Temple workers will go to great lengths to find anything that you can do to serve, and be of service. Oh how I have missed our wonderful Atlanta Temple. I have been to many, both in Europe, and all over the U.S., but going to my own is so special, I was there before it’s dedication, with my parents, who were not members, also in it during the dedication by President Gordon B Hinckley, and once out of the ARMY, hundreds, if not thousands of times, along with a few in Utah, Alabama, Florida, Navoo, want to Kirkland, but it was just a tour of course. I can’t remember the rest, it there are others Sadly, I had already gone stateside before the Temple was built in Germany. Our little military Fulda, West Germany Branch prayed often for a Temple to be built in Frankfurt, knowing that all of us would probably be transferred elsewhere before this could happen, So, to my questions… Does anyone have any stories of how the Temple helped anyone with disabilities, as it might inspire those who suffer in silence? What are Temple workers able to help those in need of help? What stories do Temple attendees, or Temple workers have of wonderful stories where ether workers or attendees have to inspire others? Also, any questions I might I asked, but did not, or forgot to ask. Two things, first of all, no forbidden Temple comments, per rules spelled out in boards rules. Also mods I posted it here for max replies, if it does not belong here, please move it to social folder. Thanks to all who take the time to read and respond.