Jacob's Ladder in the Palea

[Nofear]

The Palea is a an apocryphal text from about the 9th and 10th centuries coming through Slavonic lines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palea_(literature)).

This episode discusses a portion of the Palea that has been translated and adds some insight into Jacob's Ladder. Of course we have to guard against sensationalism and such, but I thought it was quite interesting. Thoughts from others?

 

[Calm]

Summary please…even just a few sentences. (I generally don’t watch videos based on the visual, especially if it looks sensationalized as the few times I let myself get caught I almost always regret it because it turns out to be just speculation or likely fraud, though I might if someone explains why it’s worth the time and effort.)

Edited August 27, 2024 by Calm

[Nofear]

Summary:

1. More information in the apocryphal accout that lends credence to an endowment type scenario in Jacob's Ladder.

2. References figure easily identifiable with John the Baptist in OT context. That is, the Book of Mormon isn't the only place to do that.

One other thing that I forget at the moment, I think.  Edit: corporeal Messiah, dispensations, and another tidbit or two.

Edited August 27, 2024 by Nofear

[Calm]

43 minutes ago, Nofear said:

Summary:

1. More information in the apocryphal accout that lends credence to an endowment type scenario in Jacob's Ladder.

2. References figure easily identifiable with John the Baptist in OT context. That is, the Book of Mormon isn't the only place to do that.

One other thing that I forget at the moment, I think.  Edit: corporeal Messiah, dispensations, and another tidbit or two.

Okay, got my interest.

[The Nehor]

I got about two minutes into the video and realized I already don’t trust any of these people.

Conspiratorial thinking? Check
They don’t want you to know? Check
Hasn’t been translated into English while implying that is because they don’t want you to know? Check
Casual homophobia? Check

The “real hidden truth about Jacob’s real ladder”. Somehow it is contained in a book that definitely doesn’t go back further than the 13th century?

That makes sense bro!

And is this guy an expert on old Slavonic or Russian? No, he put the text through Google translate to translate it from old Slavonic into Russian and then uses Google translate to translate that from Russian into English. Then they all gape at and take seriously what Google just spat out. Excuse me while I go bang my head against a wall.

[Dario_M]

How long is that video? I can't see it on here. 

Edited August 28, 2024 by Dario_M

[Nofear]

2 hours ago, Dario_M said:

How long is that video? I can't see it on here. 

28min
Though, much of the silly banter and needless comments can be ignored. Not a particularly scholarly in tone, but the content can be more substantive at times. And despite The Nehor's claims, they and scholars do want the Palea translated and do not think it is being hidden (the work is just huge and not been a priority for many because much of it is fairly pedantic). Still, the channel can be easily off putting to many. But, if that was my criteria, I'd never listen to anything from most on most of this site. Oh wait, I do that already.

Edited August 28, 2024 by Nofear

[The Nehor]

36 minutes ago, Nofear said:

28min
Though, much of the silly banter and needless comments can be ignored. Not a particularly scholarly in tone, but the content can be more substantive at times. And despite The Nehor's claims, they and scholars do want the Palea translated and do not think it is being hidden (the work is just huge and not been a priority for many because much of it is fairly pedantic). Still, the channel can be easily off putting to many. But, if that was my criteria, I'd never listen to anything from most on most of this site. Oh wait, I do that already.

It is also pretty anti-semitic.

[Dario_M]

1 hour ago, Nofear said:

28min
Though, much of the silly banter and needless comments can be ignored. Not a particularly scholarly in tone, but the content can be more substantive at times. And despite The Nehor's claims, they and scholars do want the Palea translated and do not think it is being hidden (the work is just huge and not been a priority for many because much of it is fairly pedantic). Still, the channel can be easily off putting to many. But, if that was my criteria, I'd never listen to anything from most on most of this site. Oh wait, I do that already.

 Nothing speciaal if i read your post corectly. That will be a waste of 28 minutes of my life. Not gonna watch that. 😋

[Nofear]

2 hours ago, The Nehor said:

It is also pretty anti-semitic.

Admittedly, I didn't listen to every single moment of the 28minutes, so I may have missed it. A formal Call for Reference on your claim of "It is also pretty anti-semitic," "it" being the video I linked.

Edited August 28, 2024 by Nofear

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, Nofear said:

Admittedly, I didn't listen to every single moment of the 28minutes, so I may have missed it. A formal Call for Reference on your claim of "It is also pretty anti-semitic," "it" being the video I linked.

I meant the Palea is pretty anti-semitic.

[Nofear]

29 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

I meant the Palea is pretty anti-semitic.

Yeah, I don't have much reason to doubt that. Thank you for clarifying. I totally disavow the idea that because apocryphal therefore good. I tend to think of the materials more along the lines of Joseph Smith and "the" Apocrypha. Some that is good; plenty that is not-so-good. Not necessary for the general population of Saints. And from a scholarly perspective, relating the various texts to sound doctrine usually involves a heck of a lot of cherry-picking.