Apology for the Priesthood Ban / "March of Dimes Syndrome" / "Mission Creep" / "Spencer's Law"

[smac97]

On 10/11/2024 at 1:12 PM, smac97 said:

From September 2023: The pullback from youth gender transition has begun

Hmm.

"{T}he Transgender Center could have continued to prescribe puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to current patients. However, it decided to back away from these interventions altogether."

This seems to vindicate at least a substantial portion of Reed's concerns.

We'll see, I suppose.

I suspect the lawsuits about this will be legion.  I suspect a lot of issues in my list of bullet points will be heavily litigated (centering on "Informed Consent" about the other bulleted items not being sufficiently disclosed/addressed) :

• Comorbidities. 
• Informed consent. 
• Compromised assessments of the best interests of the child. 
• Irreversibility. 
• Sterilization. 
• Cutting off healthy body parts. 
• Longitudinal studies essentially absent. 
• Lifelong medical regimens. 
• Massive ideological/sociopolitical influences/pressures on medical care. 
• Massive social contagion risks. 
• Massive risk of financial devastation for the individual (and burden on society).

Thanks,

-Smac

Further to my above comment ("I suspect the lawsuits about this will be legion..."), see here:

UCLA student sues California doctors, says she was 'fast-tracked' into transgender surgery

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A UCLA student is suing multiple California health care providers and hospitals for medical negligence, alleging she was wrongly diagnosed with gender dysphoria and then “fast-tracked onto the conveyor belt of irreversibly damaging” puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones and surgery, according to her lawsuit.

Kaya Clementine Breen, 20, said she experienced sexual abuse as a young child, and by the time she was 11, she “began struggling with the thought of developing into a woman and began to believe that life would be easier if she were a boy,” according to her suit filed last week in Los Angeles County Superior Court. When she expressed this to her then-school counselor, the counselor told her “that she was transgender and called her parents to tell them the same.”

Breen, who was also suffering from anxiety, depression and undiagnosed post-traumatic stress disorder, according to the lawsuit, was then taken by her parents to the Center for Transyouth Health and Development at Children’s Hospital Los Angeles, where she said she was diagnosed with gender dysphoria — the distress one can experience when their gender identity and birth sex are in conflict — and began to receive transition-related care at 12 years old.

“This case is about a team of purported health care providers who collectively decided that a vulnerable girl struggling with complex mental health struggles and suffering from multiple instances of sexual abuse should be prescribed a series of life-altering puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones, ultimately, receive a double mastectomy at the age of 14,” Breen’s lawsuit states.

Breen began receiving puberty-suppressing medication at 12, was prescribed cross-sex hormones from 13 to 19 and underwent a double mastectomy at 14, according to court documents, which stated that her “her mental health progressively declined” following these treatments.
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The defendants in Breen’s lawsuit include Dr. Johanna Olson-Kennedy, an adolescent medicine physician specializing in gender-affirming care; Children’s Hospital Los Angeles; Dr. Scott Mosser, a plastic surgeon specializing in gender-affirming surgery; the Gender Confirmation Center of San Francisco; UCSF Health Community Hospitals; and psychotherapist Susan P. Landon.
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The politics surrounding gender-affirming care for minors were also reportedly behind a decision by Olson-Kennedy, one of the defendants in Breen’s lawsuit, to delay publication of a study she conducted on the effects of puberty blockers. Olson-Kennedy told The New York Times in an article published in October that she didn’t publish the results, which found the medication did not improve the mental health of minors with gender dysphoria, because she feared the findings might fuel the types of political attacks that led to state bans on gender-affirming care.

I suspect there will be more, likely many more.  We'll see.

Thanks,

-Smac

[Analytics]

On 12/5/2024 at 10:12 AM, smac97 said:

@Analytics, who had previously seemed to rely heavily on the credibility and prestige of WPATH…

in your imagination, maybe. I never relied heavily on WPATH, seemingly or otherwise.

On 12/5/2024 at 10:12 AM, smac97 said:

The piece also specifically addresses WPATH, much vaunted by our @Analytics:

I never “vaunted” WPATH, much less much so. If you think I did, CFR.

None of this is to say that I think you’ve successfully discredited WPATH. I don’t know very much about them either way. But I do know that trusting you to curate objective insightful info on them would be just as silly as trusting Ed Decker to curate objective info on the Church.

[SeekingUnderstanding]

5 hours ago, ethansmithjim said:

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Welcome to the board EthanSmithJim. Too few members these days.

[JVW]

8 minutes ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

Welcome to the board EthanSmithJim. Too few members these days.

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[SeekingUnderstanding]

Just now, JVW said:

Haha, you got pranked! I bet a penny that this is an AI bot advertising for visagesculpture company.

Lol, rereading I'm almost sure you are right. 

[Teancum]

Whatever happened to @smac97?

[JVW]

14 minutes ago, Teancum said:

Whatever happened to @smac97?

He was gone for awhile but has resurfaced recently on a trans thread in the News section. I don't think he intends to actively engage in the forum anymore.  

[InCognitus]

5 hours ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

Welcome to the board EthanSmithJim. Too few members these days.

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