ce4 Posted July 26, 2022 Posted July 26, 2022 When was Adam? Here are statements that might help in this discussion: Genesis 2:6 there went up a a mist from the earth. Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man. Genesis 3:23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden. D&C 77:7 The first seal contains the things of the first thousand years. Younger dryas is climate event. Average temperature of Earth droped 8 degree celcius (to -50) 12.9 to 11.5 thousand years ago. A black mat in sediment marks beginning of younger dryas. The Holocene is the current geological epoch. It began 9700 BC. Homo sapiens sapiens (modern human) appeared 200 thousand years ago. The Laurentide Ice Sheet reached a glacial maximum 20 thousand years ago, and as far south as 38 degrees latitude mid-continent. Jackson County Missouri is 39 degrees latitude. Velocity of Plate tectonics is less than ten centimeters per year. Before Christ (BC) = Before the Common Era (BCE)
katherine the great Posted July 28, 2022 Posted July 28, 2022 I think these answers start when Adam and Eve were expelled from the garden. Genesis 3:19 "By the sweat of your brow you shall eat bread," That tells us that Adam and Eve entered the natural world during the agricultural age, and Abel was a shepherd. So it couldn't have been more than about 10,500 years ago. According to Genesis, seven generations later, Cain's descendants were making musical instruments and implements of iron. This would have been probably no earlier than about 5000 bc (sensu lato). Generously calculating a generation as 100 years, I would say Adam and Eve were no earlier than 7,700 years ago. Yes, Homo sapiens have been around for at least 200,000 years. So clearly Adam and Eve were not the first Homo sapiens if they even were Homo sapiens. I tend to interpret this part of Genesis quite figuratively. 3
Calm Posted July 28, 2022 Posted July 28, 2022 3 hours ago, katherine the great said: I think these answers start when Adam and Eve were expelled from the garden. Genesis 3:19 "By the sweat of your brow you shall eat bread," That tells us that Adam and Eve entered the natural world during the agricultural age, and Abel was a shepherd. So it couldn't have been more than about 10,500 years ago. According to Genesis, seven generations later, Cain's descendants were making musical instruments and implements of iron. This would have been probably no earlier than about 5000 bc (sensu lato). Generously calculating a generation as 100 years, I would say Adam and Eve were no earlier than 7,700 years ago. Yes, Homo sapiens have been around for at least 200,000 years. So clearly Adam and Eve were not the first Homo sapiens if they even were Homo sapiens. I tend to interpret this part of Genesis quite figuratively. Very interesting. You really need to post more. 1
Stargazer Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 8 hours ago, katherine the great said: I think these answers start when Adam and Eve were expelled from the garden. Genesis 3:19 "By the sweat of your brow you shall eat bread," That tells us that Adam and Eve entered the natural world during the agricultural age, and Abel was a shepherd. So it couldn't have been more than about 10,500 years ago. According to Genesis, seven generations later, Cain's descendants were making musical instruments and implements of iron. This would have been probably no earlier than about 5000 bc (sensu lato). Generously calculating a generation as 100 years, I would say Adam and Eve were no earlier than 7,700 years ago. Yes, Homo sapiens have been around for at least 200,000 years. So clearly Adam and Eve were not the first Homo sapiens if they even were Homo sapiens. I tend to interpret this part of Genesis quite figuratively. Excellent! I've been thinking along similar lines for a long time, but hadn't connected the timeline as you have here.
ce4 Posted August 1, 2022 Author Posted August 1, 2022 Adam came before the garden. When was the garden? Gardens are usuially planted after the cold season has passed. So the garden was probably planted after Younger dryas, 11.5 thousand years ago. Thank you katherine the great. When did Adam exit the garden? You make a strong case for bread. But as a weak counter argument, "shall" means in the future and could imply a prophicy that bread will be invented sometime later. Abel was a shepherd only tells us that Adam existed before or during the agricultural age. I do not understand your generation math. Maybe Adam was in 4000 BC and that was the first thousand years. Anyone care to explain and reference that? When Adam and Eve ate the forbiden fruit, body chemistry changed to mortal, natural. Aging started and lifespan was one thousand years.
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