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[johnny]

Zakuska writes,

By eating the fruit they became like the "Gods".

What is your point ... by eating the fruit they disobeyed their Father.

In Order to know truth you have to know what evil is.

To know the truth you have to obey God.

[Guest johnny_cat]

What is your point ... by eating the fruit they disobeyed their Father.

Yep, and they also became as the gods, knowing good and evil (see Genesis 3:22).

To be like God, they had to know the difference between good and evil. The way they learned this was by partaking of the fruit.

[Zakuska]

Johnny isnt getting the Paradox.

In Order to know truth you have to know what evil is.

We are placed here on this earth to learn to choose truth instead of choosing death.

[johnny]

johnny_cat writes,

Yep, and they also became as the gods, knowing good and evil (see Genesis 3:22).

Yep, they become as the gods but without God ... to attain wisdom men are to ask God.

[Guest johnny_cat]

Yep, they become as the gods but without God ... to attain wisdom men are to ask God.

Who mentioned wisdom? We are talking about knowledge of good and evil, which according to Genesis is one of the attributes of God. Are you suggesting that we can be "as one of us [God]" without God? In what sense?

[johnny]

Zakuska writes,

In Order to know truth you have to know what evil is.

In order to know the truth we ask God.

We are placed here on this earth to learn to choose truth instead of choosing death.

Adam choose death ... Adam disobeyed God.

[Zakuska]

Johhny,

In order to know the truth we ask God.

Hmm... Sounds like what Joseph Smith did.

http://scriptures.lds.org/js_h/1

You may make a good Mormon yet Johnny.

Satan tricked them into death with a half truth. Gen 3:4

[johnny]

johnny_cat writes,

Who mentioned wisdom? We are talking about knowledge of good and evil, which according to Genesis is one of the attributes of God. Are you suggesting that we can be "as one of us [God]" without God? In what sense?

Wisdom can include the knowledge of good and evil. I am suggesting we can be like God if ask God for wisdom.

[Zakuska]

Thats exactly what Joseph Smith did.

Asked God which church he should join. He asked for additional Knowledge.

[johnny]

Zakuska writes,

Satan tricked them into death with a half truth. Gen 3:4

And they freely disobeyed their Father's commandment ...

[Guest johnny_cat]

Wisdom can include the knowledge of good and evil. I am suggesting we can be like God if ask God for wisdom.

You are also suggesting, it would seem, that one can be like God through disobedience, albeit with the consequence of death.

[Zakuska]

Adam chose life.

Eve was in the transgression and was tricked into death by the serpent.

If Adam hadnt have eaten Life would have ceased.

1 Tim. 2: 14

[johnny]

johnny_cat writes,

You are also suggesting, it would seem, that one can be like God through disobedience, albeit with the consequence of death.

I am not suggesting that. Jesus is our example. He obeyed his Father's commands.

[Guest johnny_cat]

I am not suggesting that. Jesus is our example. He obeyed his Father's commands.

What does it mean to you to "become as one of us, knowning good and evil"?

[Zakuska]

Exactly the point Johnny.

Except to become Like God they had to eat/die. Gen 3:22.

[johnny]

Zakuska writes,

Adam chose life.

You would agree that Adam experienced death along with Eve.

If Adam hadnt have eaten Life would have ceased.

Life would not have ceased ...

Excpet to become Like God they had to eat. Gen 3:22.

They had to obey.

[Zakuska]

Yes. Life would have ceased.

Eve would have died and Adam would be left alone without any means of reproducing. Adam chose to remain with his wite thus obeying Gods command to "multiply and replenish the earth". Thus Showing his will to obey God... Eve on the other hand got placed under Adam because she showed she would disobey.

Did you read what Paul said In 1 Tim 2:14.

You just disagreed with him.

[johnny]

johnny_cat writes,

What does it mean to you to "become as one of us, knowning good and evil"?

They knew good and evil ... my point is that they knew good and evil but without God.

[heavymental]

They knew good and evil ... my point is that they knew good and evil but without God.

God communicated to Adam and Eve all the time so how could they know good and evil without him? Partaking of the fruit was about becoming like God knowing between good and evil.

[Zakuska]

Johnny,

In a sense yes because death had been introduced into their imortal bodies. They lost the opportunity to be in Gods presence continually.

Thus a Savior was sent to reverse the effects of the fruit.

[emaughan]

From what we read in Moses, there have been many worlds with Adams and Eves. I'm sure many of those worlds they did not fall into a telestial state of death and entropy. Instead of listen to Satan - I'd bet most took the question to the God. What was the question? Father, our brother says that we must eat of the fruit of knowledge to become more like thee and that we will not surely die - what would be thy will? In such worlds the outcome would be totally different.

Before God gives us further light and knowledge, or gives us access to greater commandments (which will bring greater blessings), we all have to pass through trials of temptation.

[johnny]

Zakuska writes,

You just disagreed with him.

I agree with him ... and you would agree that

Rom 5

12Wherefore, as y one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

[Zakuska]

Emaughn,

So how does this play into the Idea that Christ attoned for all these other planets as well?

If it where a case... of simply asking God for more knowledge... A savior would not have needed to be sent.

Or was Eve having a blonde moment?

[johnny]

heavymental writes,

God communicated to Adam and Eve all the time so how could they know good and evil without him?

They could of asked their Father ... he was in the garden with them.

[Zakuska]

Yes I would agree Johnny, but you where saying life would not have ceased, and it would have because Eve ate the fruit.

Thus Adam was put in a bind... Which commandment should I obey...

"Dont eat the fruit and be imortally alone for eternity. thus disobeying Gods command to multiply with the woman he gave me."

Or...

"Eat the fruit and Multiply with the woman God gave me thus obeying Gods command and disobeying the other."

Adam Chose life.

Since the other command of eating the fruit had already been broken... Technically Adam didnt sin. Because he ate the Fruit with the mind of obeying the other commandment of the Lord. Thus, demonstrating his willingness to obey God.