rodheadlee Posted August 16, 2020 Posted August 16, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, mgy401 said: So . . . “Babylon” is a metaphor for a latter-day empire of evil apostates; except that the real Babylon was actually kind of good? This is why I’ve sort of washed my hands of end-times-study. Um no. Sorry I had to run and take care of something. Nebuchadnezzar converts to the God of Daniel. Daniel 4: 37 Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase. He is a strong leader so the country follows his lead. Just like the story of the Nephites after Christ visits them things are great until they fall away. Falling away leads to destruction. His son does Bad Stuff and the Kingdom of Babylon is allowed to fall. Daniel 5: 1 Belshazzar the king made a great feast to a thousand of his lords, and drank wine before the thousand. 2 Belshazzar, whiles he tasted the wine, commanded to bring the golden and silver vessels which his father Nebuchadnezzar had taken out of the temple which was in Jerusalem; that the king, and his princes, his wives, and his concubines, might drink therein. 3 Then they brought the golden vessels that were taken out of the temple of the house of God which was at Jerusalem; and the king, and his princes, his wives, and his concubines, drank in them. 4 They drank wine, and praised the gods of gold, and of silver, of brass, of iron, of wood, and of stone. 5 ¶ In the same hour came forth fingers of a man’s hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaster of the wall of the king’s palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote. 6 Then the king’s countenance was changed, and his thoughts troubled him, so that the joints of his loins were loosed, and his knees smote one against another. 7 The king cried aloud to bring in the astrologers, the Chaldeans, and the soothsayers. And the king spake, and said to the wise men of Babylon, Whosoever shall read this writing, and shew me the interpretation thereof, shall be clothed with scarlet, and have a chain of gold about his neck, and shall be the third ruler in the kingdom. 8 Then came in all the king’s wise men: but they could not read the writing, nor make known to the king the interpretation thereof. 9 Then was king Belshazzar greatly troubled, and his countenance was changed in him, and his lords were astonied. 10 ¶ Now the queen, by reason of the words of the king and his lords, came into the banquet house: and the queen spake and said, O king, live for ever: let not thy thoughts trouble thee, nor let thy countenance be changed: 11 There is a man in thy kingdom, in whom is the spirit of the holy gods; and in the days of thy father light and understanding and wisdom, like the wisdom of the gods, was found in him; whom the king Nebuchadnezzar thy father, the king, I say, thy father, made master of the magicians, astrologers, Chaldeans, and soothsayers; 12 Forasmuch as an excellent spirit, and knowledge, and understanding, interpreting of dreams, and shewing of hard sentences, and dissolving of doubts, were found in the same Daniel, whom the king named Belteshazzar: now let Daniel be called, and he will shew the interpretation. 13 Then was Daniel brought in before the king. And the king spake and said unto Daniel, Art thou that Daniel, which art of the children of the captivity of Judah, whom the king my father brought out of Jewry? 14 I have even heard of thee, that the spirit of the gods is in thee, and that light and understanding and excellent wisdom is found in thee. 15 And now the wise men, the astrologers, have been brought in before me, that they should read this writing, and make known unto me the interpretation thereof: but they could not shew the interpretation of the thing: 16 And I have heard of thee, that thou canst make interpretations, and dissolve doubts: now if thou canst read the writing, and make known to me the interpretation thereof, thou shalt be clothed with scarlet, and have a chain of gold about thy neck, and shalt be the third ruler in the kingdom. 17 ¶ Then Daniel answered and said before the king, Let thy gifts be to thyself, and give thy rewards to another; yet I will read the writing unto the king, and make known to him the interpretation. 18 O thou king, the most high God gave Nebuchadnezzar thy father a kingdom, and majesty, and glory, and honour: 19 And for the majesty that he gave him, all people, nations, and languages, trembled and feared before him: whom he would he slew; and whom he would he kept alive; and whom he would he set up; and whom he would he put down. 20 But when his heart was lifted up, and his mind hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him: 21 And he was driven from the sons of men; and his heart was made like the beasts, and his dwelling was with the wild asses: they fed him with grass like oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven; till he knew that the most high God ruled in the kingdom of men, and that he appointeth over it whomsoever he will. 22 And thou his son, O Belshazzar, hast not humbled thine heart, though thou knewest all this; 23 But hast lifted up thyself against the Lord of heaven; and they have brought the vessels of his house before thee, and thou, and thy lords, thy wives, and thy concubines, have drunk wine in them; and thou hast praised the gods of silver, and gold, of brass, iron, wood, and stone, which see not, nor hear, nor know: and the God in whose hand thy breath is, and whose are all thy ways, hast thou not glorified: 24 Then was the part of the hand sent from him; and this writing was written. 25 ¶ And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. 26 This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it. 27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting. 28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians. 29 Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom. 30 ¶ In that night was Belshazzar the king of the Chaldeans slain. 31 And Darius the Median took the kingdom, being about threescore and two years old. Edited August 17, 2020 by rodheadlee
Jracforr Posted August 16, 2020 Posted August 16, 2020 The LDS seem to imply that the USA, East of the Mississippi is Babylon, which they bid farewell on their way to the Mountains of Ephraim in the West. In Hymn # 319, He Elders of Israel and D&C 75, the Eastern US is so designated, while the world wide predatory financial system is later addressed in D&C 133. These warnings are taken lightly, as the Church becomes more popular and it’s members endorse the system, they were warned to flee.
JamesBYoung Posted August 17, 2020 Posted August 17, 2020 Read Christopher Blythe's Terrible Revolution: Latter-day Saints and the American Apocalypse for the answer to Is the Usa Babylon the Great, the Whore and Mother of Harlots of Revelation The book may be in the top three in Mormon Studies published this year.
Ahab Posted August 17, 2020 Posted August 17, 2020 On 8/16/2020 at 1:25 PM, Jracforr said: The LDS seem to imply that the USA, East of the Mississippi is Babylon, which they bid farewell on their way to the Mountains of Ephraim in the West. In Hymn # 319, He Elders of Israel and D&C 75, the Eastern US is so designated, while the world wide predatory financial system is later addressed in D&C 133. These warnings are taken lightly, as the Church becomes more popular and it’s members endorse the system, they were warned to flee. Not how I see it. Babylon of old was the center of trade and the goal was to get gain or mammon, which involves a lot more than just money or the love of money. Our Lord told us we can't serve both God and mammon, so we have to make a choice in our lives. What is the main goal of our life now? Do we live to serve God and others while trying to become like him and our Lord or do we focus more on trying to get gain because of a love for mammon? Ye elders of Israel, come join now with me And seek out the righteous, where’er they may be— In desert, on mountain, on land, or on sea— And bring them to Zion, the pure and the free. O Babylon, O Babylon, we bid thee farewell - we're leaving the goal of getting gain and love of mammon We’re going to the mountains of Ephraim to dwell - we're going to serve the Lord and become as he is 2.The harvest is great, and the lab’rers are few; But if we’re united, we all things can do. We’ll gather the wheat from the midst of the tares And bring them from bondage, from sorrows and snares. O Babylon, O Babylon, we bid thee farewell - we're leaving the goal of getting gain and love of mammon We’re going to the mountains of Ephraim to dwell - we're going to serve the Lord and become as he is 3.We’ll go to the poor, like our Captain of old, And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold; We’ll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore And point them to Zion and life evermore. O Babylon, O Babylon, we bid thee farewell - we're leaving the goal of getting gain and love of mammon We’re going to the mountains of Ephraim to dwell - we're going to serve the Lord and become as he is
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