Meadowchik Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 37 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: “They”? Is esodije a collective? "They" has been commonly used as an epicine English pronoun for hundreds of years.
Scott Lloyd Posted November 6, 2019 Author Posted November 6, 2019 “Epicene” means being both male and female. I doubt that applies to esodije.
Meadowchik Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: “Epicene” means being both male and female. I doubt that applies to esodije. It means pronoun is gender-neutral, not necessarily the person. Like when an announcement says "Will the person who left their backpack please retrieve it?" Can refer to a person of any gender.
ksfisher Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Meadowchik said: And in my opinion, the Great Apostasy seems more like the result of authoritarianism. People used it to collectivise power to advance material interests, and had to increasingly become more controlling to maintain the system. I think your impression here is formed by the fact that the records left behind deal with authority figures. What we don't know is what the "regular Joe' members of the early church believed. Did they remain faithful when authority figures used the church for their own gain, or were they at they falling away as well? My own opinion is that there was no single person, belief, or thing that caused the apostasy, but a confluence of many people, beliefs, and things. The end result being that the authority necessary to perform gospel ordinances was taken from the earth.
Meadowchik Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 19 minutes ago, ksfisher said: I think your impression here is formed by the fact that the records left behind deal with authority figures. What we don't know is what the "regular Joe' members of the early church believed. Did they remain faithful when authority figures used the church for their own gain, or were they at they falling away as well? My own opinion is that there was no single person, belief, or thing that caused the apostasy, but a confluence of many people, beliefs, and things. The end result being that the authority necessary to perform gospel ordinances was taken from the earth. I think the overall history of Christianity being enmeshed with politics cannot be ignored. 1
ksfisher Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Meadowchik said: I think the overall history of Christianity being enmeshed with politics cannot be ignored. No question, and to its detriment. I'm just saying we know little about the beliefs of the average early member of the church and how and why their adherence to the gospel as taught by the apostles changed.
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