clarkgoble Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 2 hours ago, FunOnlineMan said: That seems to be the consensus. I'm not sure there is any consensus - although I think the idea that God is limited in some ways is the majority view within Mormonism if only because of our thoroughgoing materialism. 2 hours ago, FunOnlineMan said: And thanks or the info on the quote boxes. I’ll try it out, but I’m on my iPhone with its custom inaccurate screen that I got for dirt cheap on amazon when the standard issue screen shattered, so there’s really no helping me. Yeah speaking from experience it's a lost cause even on an iPad let alone an iPhone. I post that way occasionally and the results are never good.
mfbukowski Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, FunOnlineMan said: I’m glad you like your church. So, in the deflationary theory, why would a god be necessary? I still haven’t really seen that leap. I also think you may be confused about what constitutes “getting out more.” Because even by the most liberal definitions, this phrase has never meant staying in to ruminate on Wittgenstein. The fact is, billions testify of Him and his necessity, and importance including many of the brightest minds that have ever existed. Definitely a phenomenon worth exploring. But if you're too busy getting out, you're too busy. Deflationary theory has nothing to do with God has to do is truth of propositions. I thought you understood that. Edited July 17, 2018 by mfbukowski
FunOnlineMan Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, mfbukowski said: The fact is, billions testify of Him and his necessity, and importance including many of the brightest minds that have ever existed. Definitely a phenomenon worth exploring. But if you're too busy getting out, you're too busy. Deflationary theory has nothing to do with God has to do is truth of propositions. I thought you understood that. Sorry for the late response. Also, I know I’ve made a lot of off-hand snarky comments to you, and I think it’s rubning people the wrong way. It seemed like a harmless thing we were both doing, but if I go too far, please let me know. For instance, Wittgenstein. I obviously wish I had time to have read Wittgenstein before our chat, but I haven’t. If I do, I’ll let you know, but I don’t want to try to crash course him on Wikipedia and then let you publicly destroy me. I’d rather feel the cover of a real book in my hands if I’m just going to end up not as smart as that other guy online in the end anyway, you know? Edit: I didn’t actually respond. If you thought I fully understood the deflationary theory, I’m flattered, but no. I read some of the quick and dirty article you linked, but nah, dude. Most of that might require a couple of re-reads. And yes, the phenomenon of theism is indeed worth exploring. Thank you for showing me all this nerdy research you’ve done. I hope someday to understand it. Edited July 17, 2018 by FunOnlineMan
Unaffiliated Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 Pure knowledge is knowing something is true for a fact. Faith is not pure knowledge because faith requires believing something that you can't prove yet. Pure knowledge is knowing without a doubt.
Calm Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Unaffiliated said: Pure knowledge is knowing something is true for a fact. Faith is not pure knowledge because faith requires believing something that you can't prove yet. Pure knowledge is knowing without a doubt. Just to be difficult 😛 , how do you know you know something is a fact and you're not mistaken? Can you prove this is not all a dream or delusion? Edited July 17, 2018 by Calm 1
Unaffiliated Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Calm said: Just to be difficult 😛 , how do you know you know something is a fact and you're not mistaken? Can you prove this is not all a dream or delusion? Haha well I could be dreaming. I've had dreams that seemed so much like real life but when I wake up I know I'm now awake and that what I experienced was a dream like state. Pure knowledge is waking up if you want to use my metaphor. Sorry if that doesnt make sense.
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