JulieM Posted July 6, 2018 Posted July 6, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, ALarson said: I think that "nothing" means that he was stating that he believed "nothing had ever been done" for them. I don't buy the rebaptism thing. I'm not sure why it's so difficult here for members to just read what he originally recorded and believe what was stated. If there has to be a whole lot of "well, what if he meant this" to make it true, then that means it's questionable as originally told, IMO. He either was simply mistaken (maybe it was just a dream) or he embellished it as it went along after he learned that they had indeed already been baptized (and many times for some of them). I have to agree after reading everything on this thread (and learning that the 2nd source given wrote their account 20-40 years afterwards and also quoted a talk given by Wilford Woodruff years later). It just doesn’t make sense or add up as originally recorded, imo. I’m actually glad to learn the details of this because I have heard this story a couple times growing up in the church. It’s still a great story with a great moral and purpose. Reminds me of the parables that Christ taught. Edited July 6, 2018 by JulieM
Duncan Posted July 6, 2018 Posted July 6, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, JulieM said: I have to agree after reading everything on this thread (and learning that the 2nd source given wrote their account 20-40 years afterwards and also quoted a talk given by Wilford Woodruff years later). It just doesn’t make sense or add up as originally recorded, imo. I’m actually glad to learn the details of this because I have heard this story a couple times growing up in the church. It’s still a great story with a great moral and purpose. Reminds me of the parables that Christ taught. would it bother you to know that John D.T. Mcallister makes mentions in his Aug. 21-23 1877 journal entries about being baptized for "all the dead Presidents of the United States except Martin Van Buren and Jas. Buchanan". he called that day, the 21st, a "very special day" The next day he received endowments for General George Washington and Sister Lucy B. Young received them for his mother, Martha Ball. The 23rd he was ordained a High Priest for George Washington and endowed for Millard Fillmore. There's more but you can read it from "John D.T. Mcallister: the Southern Utah Years, 1876-2010" by Wayne Hinton, Journal of Mormon History 29:2, Spring 2003. The originals are at the Church history Library but they are off limits but somehow Wayne Hinton got access to them Edited July 6, 2018 by Duncan 3
Okrahomer Posted July 6, 2018 Posted July 6, 2018 On 7/3/2018 at 8:37 PM, Duncan said: ...the Signers of the Defamation of Independance I see what you did there you northern loyalist you. 3
Duncan Posted July 6, 2018 Posted July 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, Okrahomer said: I see what you did there you northern loyalist you. 😇 1
ALarson Posted July 6, 2018 Posted July 6, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, JulieM said: I have to agree after reading everything on this thread (and learning that the 2nd source given wrote their account 20-40 years afterwards and also quoted a talk given by Wilford Woodruff years later). It just doesn’t make sense or add up as originally recorded, imo. I’m actually glad to learn the details of this because I have heard this story a couple times growing up in the church. It’s still a great story with a great moral and purpose. Reminds me of the parables that Christ taught. Yes, I think for those who are interested in this, they just need to read what's available and come to their own conclusions. Some have chosen to take on faith that there was a vision and others see this as not adding up or making much sense (as you and I feel and others here as well).....not at least as it was originally recorded. I don't see anyone claiming there weren't the baptisms done again and then the other proxy work. Edited July 6, 2018 by ALarson 2
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