Where is lds resource about garment of Adam passed down

[clarkgoble]

27 minutes ago, Gray said:

Well, I'm no expert on positivism, but the wikipedia summary on the subject doesn't describe my views at ALL:

That's reasonably close. Although wikipedia has gotten better on philosophical topics of late I usually point people to the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.

As I said I think positivists get treated rather unfairly. While I ultimately disagree with them, there are certain aspects where I think they are correct. So when I use the term I typically am not using it pejoratively. 

I've noticed some Mormons, largely due to the historicist vs. positivist conception of history, tend to attack the positivists. Way back in the day at my blog we had a rollicking good debate between Vogel and Goff with myself and a few others contributing. While I'm sympathetic to Goff's points about positivism I often think he goes too far. Likewise I think Vogel isn't as at odds with Goff as it seems because Vogel's pretty forthright about adopting a very naturalistic explanation of Mormonism. That is he's the first to admit his claims are theory laden.

Edited April 17, 2017 by clarkgoble

[mfbukowski]

On 4/13/2017 at 5:45 AM, probablyHagoth7 said:

Oh, but God is interested in giving that sort of thing. Just as he is interested in sharing any good gift we might seek/request. The key is to seek/request. That is when we find.

I respectfully beg to differ. Innovators in any subject are prophets within their own sphere, receiving/revealing what God chooses to disclose in response to their diligent searching, as/when he sees fit.

History is *not* any different.

Things in the past that are otherwise lost/unknowable can either remain hidden, or be revealed. One of the coolest events in secular history, in my opinion, was the unusual discovery of two related ancient objects, found a century apart, but within a stone's throw of one another. The discoveries awakened an entire region of Europe to a greater interest in their lost/forgotten heritage. One of the greatest poets of that age crystallized that regional fervor/conviction in a lay which outright says that heaven opted to reveal those two things to humble people in his own due time...in response to others earnestly seeking for a glimpse of their nation's past. The account and impact of those golden relics helped pave the way for a rising generation to be more receptive (than those of any other contemporary nation) to the message of the Nephite golden plates.

And generations later, in a memorable city where I had the privilege to serve, the LDS congregation just happened to meet on a street named after that poet. I later studied that poet's most memorable work during my ever-so-brief sojourn at BYU-Provo.

God does reveal the past. The crossroads between history and revelation you're referring to can involve the realm of a seer. Who is a prophet (and then some). 

"...But a seer can know of things which are past, and also of things which are to come, and by them shall all things be revealed, or, rather, shall secret things be made manifest, and hidden things shall come to light, and things which are not known shall be made known by them, and also things shall be made known by them which otherwise could not be known..." https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/mosiah/8.15-18?lang=eng#p14

I missed something.  What is the significance of the picture?

And where did you serve and who was the poet?  Sorry.

Edited April 19, 2017 by mfbukowski

[probablyHagoth7]

1 hour ago, mfbukowski said:

I missed something.  What is the significance of the picture?

I am finalizing a book, based on a senior paper I wrote years ago, that lays out the picture's full significance (among other things). Will be happy to discuss it in greater detail once that project is public. 

1 hour ago, mfbukowski said:

And where did you serve...

Scandinavia (Denmark). Homeland of Lombards, Angles, Saxons.

1 hour ago, mfbukowski said:

...and who was the poet?

Adam Oehlenschlaeger.

[mfbukowski]

14 minutes ago, probablyHagoth7 said:

I am finalizing a book, based on a senior paper I wrote years ago, that lays out the picture's full significance (among other things). Will be happy to discuss it in greater detail once that project is public. 

Scandinavia (Denmark). Homeland of Lombards, Angles, Saxons.

Adam Oehlenschlaeger.

Aha! Romanticism and connections to Fichte.  Language expressing subjective feelings.  Alma 32 in Europe prior to Hegel.  Interesting direction.

[theplains]

On 12/04/2017 at 0:28 PM, JLHPROF said:

What is the sign of the healing of the sick? The laying on of hands is the sign or way marked out by James, and the custom of the ancient Saints as ordered by the Lord, and we cannot obtain the blessing by pursuing any other course except the way marked out by the Lord.

Jesus healed by various methods. He did not have to touch a person in order to heal them.

Which way by James was ordered by the Lord?  James 5:13:-16 is not a command directed by the Lord.

A common reference might be Mark 16:18 - "they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.". But
one must also consider the entire passage:

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth
and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them
that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up
serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they
shall recover." 

I believe ... but I have never cast out devils, or spoken with new tongues, or taken up serpents, or drank
deadly things, or laid hands on the sick and healed them.  Jesus would seem to classify me as an unbeliever.
Or maybe these types of miracles are only for certain individuals.  If you consider speaking with a new 
tongue as me going to school to learn French, then I would qualify again.

Thanks,
Jim

[JLHPROF]

3 hours ago, theplains said:

Jesus healed by various methods. He did not have to touch a person in order to heal them.

Neither did Joseph Smith.
They had both progressed to a higher level.

[clarkgoble]

3 hours ago, theplains said:

Jesus healed by various methods. He did not have to touch a person in order to heal them.

Technically neither does the priesthood. It's the related ritual that requires touch but technically the ritual isn't necessary. I've certainly given blessings in rushed circumstances where I didn't. I can remember one case where the person was being taken to the ambulance at the time. While James 5:14 is the obvious proof text technically we do it the way we do because that's how God's prophets have asked us to. Up until 1940 women used to anoint other women for childbirth or gynecological problems where it was felt inappropriate for men. Now we just anoint the head. So even within Mormonism the practice has changed somewhat.

[clarkgoble]

3 hours ago, theplains said:

Jesus healed by various methods. He did not have to touch a person in order to heal them.

Technically neither does the priesthood. It's the related ritual that requires touch but technically the ritual isn't necessary. I've certainly given blessings in rushed circumstances where I didn't. I can remember one case where the person was being taken to the ambulance at the time. While James 5:14 is the obvious proof text technically we do it the way we do because that's how God's prophets have asked us to. Up until 1940 women used to anoint other women for childbirth or gynecological problems where it was felt inappropriate for men. Now we just anoint the head. So even within Mormonism the practice has changed somewhat.

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I believe ... but I have never cast out devils, or spoken with new tongues, or taken up serpents, or drank deadly things, or laid hands on the sick and healed them.  Jesus would seem to classify me as an unbeliever.
Or maybe these types of miracles are only for certain individuals.  If you consider speaking with a new tongue as me going to school to learn French, then I would qualify again

Technically it says they follow the believers not that every believer could do such things. As D&C 46:11 points out, "For all have not every gift given unto them; for there are many gifts, and to every man is given a gift by the Spirit of God."