The Nehor Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 2 hours ago, longview said: The difference is refugees are escaping their Islamic hell they helped build. All of them built it up? Really? So nations that have existed and have lots of problems that all predate when these refugees were born are their fault? Is this the same way some people imagine they are responsible for America's successes because they happen to have been born here? 2 hours ago, longview said: The immigrants are desiring to impose Sharia Law wherever they can. Well they can't here. There aren't enough of them. Some Islamic idiots here pretend they are going to in order to feel important and some crazy politicians are trying to convince us all that Sharia Law is a real threat so they can advance their political careers. The dumb kid with the dumb fake bomb built at the instigation of his dumb parents got in trouble near here so the dumb mayor could do dumb grandstanding about her dumb fight against the dumb and nonexistent threat of impending Sharia law. 2 hours ago, longview said: The outcome is the same. Greater Islamic hegemony in host countries with assistance of their leftist allies. Yeah, because the pro-choice, pro-feminism, and pro-sexual freedom lovers of the Left secretly love Sharia Law and want it spread everywhere so they can all wear those awesome burqas. Either that or someone is lying about what the Left wants. Guess which one I believe? 1
thesometimesaint Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 13 hours ago, bsjkki said: I think you've got a leftist spin on the tax question. Taxes are my money confiscated by the government by force of law and threats of incarceration. When the government lets me keep more of my money, it doesn't mean 'I can't survive without government money'. Churches were tax exempt before the Johnson Amendment--the Johnson amemdment just shut them up. How long are you going to survive without clean air, water, and food. How long are you going to survive without safe and effective drugs. How long are you going to prosper without roads, bridges, and waterways. How long are you going to survive the gales of Satan's wrath when you've broken down every law. SEE Taxes are the dues we pay to live in a civilized society. Adam Smith
emeliza Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 8 hours ago, longview said: Yes. Makes no difference how they get in. Walking across north or south borders, H1b visas, diplomatic, educational visas, whatever . . . Refugees are only one type of immigrant and basically the only type I spoke of with the immigration vetting. Secondly, the article doesn't even mention immigrants. It only talks about employees. I took it to mean they check backgrounds for all employees or vet them. My employer vets workers for specific things that might cause safety issues, airports would too. 1
bsjkki Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 4 hours ago, thesometimesaint said: How long are you going to survive without clean air, water, and food. How long are you going to survive without safe and effective drugs. How long are you going to prosper without roads, bridges, and waterways. How long are you going to survive the gales of Satan's wrath when you've broken down every law. SEE Taxes are the dues we pay to live in a civilized society. Adam Smith The issue is not whether taxes are necessary but rather the characterization that churches keeping their own funds means they are dependent on the government. Tax exempt status for churches does not equate to a tax subsidy. 2
longview Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 10 hours ago, The Nehor said: Well they can't here. There aren't enough of them. Actually, there are way too many of them. Check out 'Dearbornistan' and Clinton, NJ and jihadist training camps in Colorado, etc. See: http://www.clarionproject.org/news/american-muslims-stone-christians-dearborn-michigan 11 hours ago, The Nehor said: Yeah, because the pro-choice, pro-feminism, and pro-sexual freedom lovers of the Left secretly love Sharia Law and want it spread everywhere so they can all wear those awesome burqas. Either that or someone is lying about what the Left wants. Guess which one I believe? Actually, liberals love multiculturalism. They refuse to criticize Moslems and will in fact charge everyone with 'islamophobia' if they make a peep. There is a strange alliance between the left and islamo-fascists. Five stages of Islamic conquest: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/05/the_five_stages_of_islam.html
thesometimesaint Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 2 hours ago, bsjkki said: The issue is not whether taxes are necessary but rather the characterization that churches keeping their own funds means they are dependent on the government. Tax exempt status for churches does not equate to a tax subsidy. It isn't the churches money. IE; If I owe you some money that money isn't mine to do with as I please. Churches benefit from the roads, bridges, other infrastructure that taxes provide. I don't have a problem with their getting a tax exemption as long as they follow what little law there is on it. I see no reason for my tax dollars to support someone else's religion 1
thesometimesaint Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 45 minutes ago, longview said: Actually, there are way too many of them. Check out 'Dearbornistan' and Clinton, NJ and jihadist training camps in Colorado, etc. See: http://www.clarionproject.org/news/american-muslims-stone-christians-dearborn-michigan Actually, liberals love multiculturalism. They refuse to criticize Moslems and will in fact charge everyone with 'islamophobia' if they make a peep. There is a strange alliance between the left and islamo-fascists. Five stages of Islamic conquest: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/05/the_five_stages_of_islam.html SEE http://time.com/4429891/dnc-khizr-khan-donald-trump-constitution/
longview Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 1 hour ago, thesometimesaint said: SEE http://time.com/4429891/dnc-khizr-khan-donald-trump-constitution/ I am familiar with him. There are many reasons to doubt his sincerity. But I guess we can play a battle of websites as I know you love to do.
bsjkki Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 1 hour ago, thesometimesaint said: It isn't the churches money. IE; If I owe you some money that money isn't mine to do with as I please. Churches benefit from the roads, bridges, other infrastructure that taxes provide. I don't have a problem with their getting a tax exemption as long as they follow what little law there is on it. I see no reason for my tax dollars to support someone else's religion Currently, churches don't owe the government money so the money is their own. This article from the LA Times expresses both of our opinions. https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/la-oew-lynn-stanley23-2008sep23-story,amp.html I agree with this statement. "In its 1970 opinion in Walz vs. Tax Commission of the City of New York, the high court stated that a tax exemption for churches "creates only a minimal and remote involvement between church and state and far less than taxation of churches. [An exemption] restricts the fiscal relationship between church and state, and tends to complement and reinforce the desired separation insulating each from the other." The Supreme Court also said that "the power to tax involves the power to destroy." Taxing churches breaks down the healthy separation of church and state and leads to the destruction of the free exercise of religion." We will have to agree to disagree. I think churches should maintain their tax exempt status and that doesn't mean they are government dependents. 2
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