consiglieri Posted June 4, 2016 Posted June 4, 2016 On 6/2/2016 at 4:09 PM, Scott Lloyd said: Hurt quite often results when individuals, to gratify their own appetites, undertake to violate the laws of God and the teachings of the Church. Hurt can also result from hyper-judgmentalism. Just sayin'.
HappyJackWagon Posted June 4, 2016 Posted June 4, 2016 (edited) CaliforniaBoy- Just how crazy is this insane policy? Or is this a revelation. I forget. HJW- I think this is a really important question. I've only heard a 2nd party account from Elder Nelson claiming the policy is revelation. It wasn't his revelation, yet he's claiming it as revelation anyway. If I made a proclamation and my wife, who often speaks on my behalf, declares my proclamation to be revelation, would she be right? Could her claim be trusted, OR would it be reasonable for people to ask me to give a first hand account of the revelation? It seems reasonable, that IF this is officially claimed as a revelation by the person who had the revelation, then we should hear it from his mouth. Edited June 4, 2016 by HappyJackWagon 2
california boy Posted June 4, 2016 Posted June 4, 2016 3 hours ago, CV75 said: It’s been over a week since I’ve visited this thread, so I’m not very fresh on the flow of the conversation. But I saw the notification of your posting to me so I’ll reply out of courtesy. From my understanding of the policy, I would say that the answer to your first two questions and the fourth, is “no, until she is of age and no longer living at home.” Your third question doesn’t seem to be a policy question but an individual judgement call, so I would say “it depends,” and my opinion is as good as any others'. I do know that the Church has no policy about the worthiness of a couple’s being recommended or permitted to raise children; the Church clearly doesn’t take that on as her business (except to report abuse and neglect according to the laws of the applicable jurisdiction). That is why the children of so many sinners get baptized. As I noted in the post you replied to, apostasy is a different matter than mere sinfulness, but you don’t seem to understand or appreciate that, or understand or appreciate the emotional and spiritual development and needs of children. Your other questions sound like cheap haranguing (are you done yet?—evidently not: you’re still recycling baggage from 5 or 6 decades ago LOL). Thanks for your opinion. I enjoyed reading it.
JAHS Posted June 4, 2016 Posted June 4, 2016 6 hours ago, HappyJackWagon said: I think this is a really important question. I've only heard a 2nd party account from Elder Nelson claiming the policy is revelation. It wasn't his revelation, yet he's claiming it as revelation anyway. I wouldn't exactly call it second party: "Each of us during that sacred moment felt a spiritual confirmation, It was our privilege as apostles to sustain what had been revealed to President Monson." All apostles received a spiritual confirmation of the truthfulness of the revelation.
Rivers Posted June 5, 2016 Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) Church members of all callings, from nursery workers all the way to the First Presidency, are expected to seek divine guidance in all the decisions that they make. We are to study things out in our minds and take it to the Lord. With the new policy the FP and Quorum of the 12 had a sticky situation on their hands in regard to children living in same-sex marriage households. They came up with this policy that they believed would cause the least amount of complications. They took it to the Lord and received a confirmation to go ahead and put it in the Church Handbook. And I would define that as a revelation. However, I have to wonder if receiving a spiritual confirmation about a decision necessarily means that it is the one-and-only correct decision. Let's say I pray about a decision to take a particular job and receive a confirmation from the spirit that it is right. Does that mean that this job is the place I absolutely need to be working at? Maybe not. Maybe it is only one have many possible good job decisions. Or maybe I am supposed to take the job so I learn what I don't want to do. Maybe the Lord allows us to use our agency to try different things and learn from our experiences. Now maybe this new policy is only one of many possible solutions that the church could have attempted and not the absolute best decision. And the Lord is allowing the church to go through with it and learn from it. Just thinking out loud. Edited June 5, 2016 by Rivers 1
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