Tacenda Posted March 29, 2016 Posted March 29, 2016 7 hours ago, flameburns623 said: The OP is nicknamed "IsThatSo". Hence my response to you. Driveby posters are common on most forums I just saw that you did the same thing, sorry to steal your idea. I wonder where Isthatso is going? 1
flameburns623 Posted March 29, 2016 Posted March 29, 2016 2 hours ago, Tacenda said: I just saw that you did the same thing, sorry to steal your idea. I wonder where Isthatso is going? Somewhere to escape shunning. Don'tYouThink? 1
Calm Posted March 29, 2016 Posted March 29, 2016 11 hours ago, flameburns623 said: The OP is nicknamed "IsThatSo". Hence my response to you. Driveby posters are common on most forums The mysteries of my oh so inconsistent memory which spaced for your comment but registered the reference for Tac. All the more reason for me to crawl back in bed today, but unfortunate have errands to run.
Isthatso Posted March 30, 2016 Author Posted March 30, 2016 Hey everybody. Pardon my posting in the wrong sections. Thanks for the so far really insightful post. The first few I just read said what the social forum is for. I would love to move it to General Discussion, but I could not post there. Perhaps because I am new? So I figured this is where they wanted newbies to post. / : Looking forward to reading the rest of the comments and my heartfelt thanks for your replies.
Isthatso Posted March 30, 2016 Author Posted March 30, 2016 I just read the other comments and I am thinking of how to respond eloquently (takes a minute as someone who does not claim to be great with words.) My mistake I did not expect my own reply to be needed/much helpful and I have been working/family obligations/etc a great deal. Last my log-in refers to a parable about judgment and something an elder who has passed used to say to me often in reference to it. It seemed appropriate. Also apologies as to the long response time. I did not expect people to get back so quickly as some forums are very slow, and wanted to get the discussion going as my experiences and witnessing's in the last few years make me feel it is urgently needed within the church. Much suffering has come from this misunderstanding of doctrine. Much more potent sins and unkindness's have been committed than any those they shun have ever done and it is too sad to watch the hurt. I should make clear; I am not the focus of this. I am the observer wishing for better tools to fix the problem.
Isthatso Posted March 30, 2016 Author Posted March 30, 2016 One of the forum rules is to give or take not make it too personal. So attempting to leave out unnecessary details... When I say shunning, I mean ignoring and not treating them like family or friend. I mean using their status as non members to negate the normal rules of social interaction. To forgo forgiveness and honesty. Where one would try and work things out with a family member or friend if there is a problem, it is as if that is not an option anymore. The entire service industry is courteous whether they like you or not. People require human interaction to be genuine. Being courteous does not remedy the actual problem and is still shunning if you are moving them out of your life because they are not members. Good acting does not replace good actions. Love, trust, respect and realness are arguably the most important ingredients to friendship and required for it to be meaningful and help both people grow. It seems some are looking for reasons. I have heard doctrine and the need to not doubt as the excuses and more. Its frustrating and have tried various statements in response to no avail. I tried to point out that the things that they have in common are far more the important things such as being a good family member, being kind, being good, being honest. It does not matter. I have heard denial and I have heard terrible judgment. The golden rule, the one above all others is being ignored. Little differences are being focused on. I see it done to people they no longer hope to join the church to inactive members. These are good loving people I am talking about here, in many ways more in line with doing good works in the world than those who judge them. These are not people pushing anything on anyone. Simply live under different faith's or none at all.
Calm Posted March 31, 2016 Posted March 31, 2016 Thank you for responding. While there is no problem with long response times, it helps to be warned ahead as many conversations go quickly here. You need 25 posts to start threads in the General Discussion forum as well as edit your posts.
Isthatso Posted March 31, 2016 Author Posted March 31, 2016 1 hour ago, Calm said: Thank you for responding. While there is no problem with long response times, it helps to be warned ahead as many conversations go quickly here. You need 25 posts to start threads in the General Discussion forum as well as edit your posts. Thanks. Is this the only place I can post then? Is there a way to move this to general discussion?
Calm Posted March 31, 2016 Posted March 31, 2016 No, you can post anywhere, just can't start a topic elsewhere. You could ask mods to move the thread to the General Discussions folder, but there is a reason they want newbies to wait so the better course would more likely be to find some other threads you are interested in responding to; responses don't have to be long as long as they are not driveby quips...at least not until you have established that you can do thoughtful responses as well.
Guest Posted March 31, 2016 Posted March 31, 2016 On March 22, 2016 at 1:01 AM, Isthatso said: It seems to be a real problem. Whether from misunderstanding of doctrine to weakness. It is a real problem deeply affecting families as they are torn apart. What do you do in your personal life to combat this? What is the church doing to fix the problem? Social Hall is a forum for posters who want to avoid negativity. Are you speaking do the Amish, the Church does not shun, it always seeks for recovery. Nothing that happens in the Church has no bearing on the family. I have an Excommuntied child whom I see weekly and it is that Child I call on the most for prayers over Sunday Dinner.
The Nehor Posted March 31, 2016 Posted March 31, 2016 On March 30, 2016 at 0:30 PM, Isthatso said: I just read the other comments and I am thinking of how to respond eloquently (takes a minute as someone who does not claim to be great with words.) My mistake I did not expect my own reply to be needed/much helpful and I have been working/family obligations/etc a great deal. Last my log-in refers to a parable about judgment and something an elder who has passed used to say to me often in reference to it. It seemed appropriate. Also apologies as to the long response time. I did not expect people to get back so quickly as some forums are very slow, and wanted to get the discussion going as my experiences and witnessing's in the last few years make me feel it is urgently needed within the church. Much suffering has come from this misunderstanding of doctrine. Much more potent sins and unkindness's have been committed than any those they shun have ever done and it is too sad to watch the hurt. I should make clear; I am not the focus of this. I am the observer wishing for better tools to fix the problem. I believe you overstate the problem and will therefore shun you from here on out you godless infidel!
Tacenda Posted March 31, 2016 Posted March 31, 2016 15 hours ago, Pa Pa said: Are you speaking do the Amish, the Church does not shun, it always seeks for recovery. Nothing that happens in the Church has no bearing on the family. I have an Excommuntied child whom I see weekly and it is that Child I call on the most for prayers over Sunday Dinner. Pa Pa, have you read the whole thread, people have said there is shunning in the LDS church, individuals, not as a whole church thing, no.
Isthatso Posted March 31, 2016 Author Posted March 31, 2016 3 hours ago, The Nehor said: I believe you overstate the problem and will therefore shun you from here on out you godless infidel! LOL the Nehor.
Isthatso Posted March 31, 2016 Author Posted March 31, 2016 18 hours ago, Calm said: No, you can post anywhere, just can't start a topic elsewhere. You could ask mods to move the thread to the General Discussions folder, but there is a reason they want newbies to wait so the better course would more likely be to find some other threads you are interested in responding to; responses don't have to be long as long as they are not driveby quips...at least not until you have established that you can do thoughtful responses as well. Thanks for the info Calm. Not much a forum person (could you all tell ?) on a regular basis as to get 25 post (or I suppose reply's count?) I guess if anyone here thinks it is a worthy conversation and would like to move it General Discussion (and perhaps let me know to look so I can thank you and keep up) including the Mods. I would love to comment there. This issue means a lot to me and the people involved for sure, and finding better dialog that may be helpful in real life by getting the ball rolling with folks who are used to this or good with words and just seeing it from different points of view would be really helpful. Thanks.
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