Bill “Papa” Lee Posted February 22, 2016 Posted February 22, 2016 This year our Gospel Doctrine study is (of course) the Book of Mormon. In the last two weeks the class assignments have centered on the remaining chapters of 2 Nephi moving into the Book of Jacob. I was reminded of a phrase used only twice in all our Latter-day Scriptures, and both by the same person. For those who do not know, 2 Nephi 9-10 are a sermon, a fiery one to my mind, given by Nephi's younger brother Jacob. Each time I am ever waiting for a session at the Temple, or arriving at Church early I always read and re-read 2 Nephi 9-10, as it is to my mind the single best sermon on the atonement ever written. It has within it a phrase (in verse 9: 9,..."we become devils, angels to a devil,". Later in Jacob's own book he continues on this theme using the same phrase. It is found in Jacob 3: 11, where little variation he again uses this term, "...become angels to the devil,...". I am not using this tern of phrase as evidence that the Book of Mormon is true and truly the word of God, as I know it to be so. I am using this (what one of our posters used to say) as a "bullseye". This pointing to the undisputed fact on many authors within the Book of Mormon, as it appears nowhere else, not even with the Dictrine and Covenants all revelations received by the Prophet Joseph Smith, and to my knowledge no where else in his writings. It is a powerful phrase that invokes a visual and doctrinal view of what the author was trying to do and done well. Thus the phrase was used by one man, one in his brother's writings and once within his own 17 chapters apart then no more. Does anyone else wish to comment, challenge or list their own "bullseye" comments as to where the Book of Mormon contains other such common comments or writing that shows the depth of doctrine and proof? I look forward to replies, we used to do doctrinal debate as taught within our lessons each week...I would love to see more. Within a few posts or days, I will add more to this thread. Your brother in Christ... Bill (Papa) Lee
Duncan Posted February 22, 2016 Posted February 22, 2016 I follow Bro. Bachman's blog and he lists "zingers" so take them for what they are worth! http://livingphilosophies.blogspot.ca/2016_02_01_archive.html 1
Sevenbak Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 I would think D&C 29 is pretty close. 37 And they were thrust down, and thus came the devil and his angels; 38 And, behold, there is a place prepared for them from the beginning, which place is hell.
Bobbieaware Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 5 hours ago, Pa Pa said: This year our Gospel Doctrine study is (of course) the Book of Mormon. In the last two weeks the class assignments have centered on the remaining chapters of 2 Nephi moving into the Book of Jacob. I was reminded of a phrase used only twice in all our Latter-day Scriptures, and both by the same person. For those who do not know, 2 Nephi 9-10 are a sermon, a fiery one to my mind, given by Nephi's younger brother Jacob. Each time I am ever waiting for a session at the Temple, or arriving at Church early I always read and re-read 2 Nephi 9-10, as it is to my mind the single best sermon on the atonement ever written. It has within it a phrase (in verse 9: 9,..."we become devils, angels to a devil,". Later in Jacob's own book he continues on this theme using the same phrase. It is found in Jacob 3: 11, where little variation he again uses this term, "...become angels to the devil,...". I am not using this tern of phrase as evidence that the Book of Mormon is true and truly the word of God, as I know it to be so. I am using this (what one of our posters used to say) as a "bullseye". This pointing to the undisputed fact on many authors within the Book of Mormon, as it appears nowhere else, not even with the Dictrine and Covenants all revelations received by the Prophet Joseph Smith, and to my knowledge no where else in his writings. It is a powerful phrase that invokes a visual and doctrinal view of what the author was trying to do and done well. Thus the phrase was used by one man, one in his brother's writings and once within his own 17 chapters apart then no more. Does anyone else wish to comment, challenge or list their own "bullseye" comments as to where the Book of Mormon contains other such common comments or writing that shows the depth of doctrine and proof? I look forward to replies, we used to do doctrinal debate as taught within our lessons each week...I would love to see more. Within a few posts or days, I will add more to this thread. Your brother in Christ... Bill (Papa) Lee Could you restate this op and distill your suggestions for discussion down to make it easier for me to understand? I can be slow at times and I guess I'm not quite "getting it."
Guest Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 18 minutes ago, Bobbieaware said: Could you restate this op and distill your suggestions for discussion down to make it easier for me to understand? I can be slow at times and I guess I'm not quite "getting it." All writers have certain style and "footprints", if you will. Many of the critics of the Book of Mormon claim that Joseph Smith or other contempories wrote all LDS Scripture. Finding this phrase in two different books show structure and multiple authors with the books of the Book of Mormon. In this case it was the younger brother of Nephi who wrote using these two comments that appear nowhere else. There many styles of writing, thus Joseph Smith did not write the Book of Mormon, but translated it. Hope this helps.
Guest Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 4 hours ago, Duncan said: I follow Bro. Bachman's blog and he lists "zingers" so take them for what they are worth! http://livingphilosophies.blogspot.ca/2016_02_01_archive.html Thanks...give it a look. I think FAIR or the Maxwell Institute used to do the same. A lot of posters used to do these things, I just stumbled unto many years ago by read about 30 chapters one day, but never saw my example any in the books or papers. The first time I read 2 Nephi 9-10, I recognized it was a sermon, either copied by Nephi and he heard of it, or Jacob wrote it...preached it is you will.
Guest Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Sevenbak said: I would think D&C 29 is pretty close. 37 And they were thrust down, and thus came the devil and his angels; 38 And, behold, there is a place prepared for them from the beginning, which place is hell. I always viewed this as the condition of a being already in Hell and not the destination of each generation had no atonement...also the "becoming" such.
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