Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) Personal revelation applies to me.Not when it is wrong. You cannot receive a personal revelation that goes against laws of God. And as I have laid out you cannot receive revelation that goes outside your stewardship. You are claiming that the church is wrong because you received a revelation that they are wrong on this issue. You cannot claim that. Edited September 3, 2015 by Mola Ram Suda Ram
rockpond Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Just keep telling your self that. You have no foundation for that claim. D&C 75:10 "Calling on the name of the Lord for the Comforter, which shall teach them all things that are expedient for them" And a number of other similar verses.
Popular Post SeekingUnderstanding Posted September 3, 2015 Popular Post Posted September 3, 2015 Not when it is wrong. You cannot receive a personal revelation that goes laws of God.Then its all circular isn't it. Why pray? Moroni says that by the power of the holy ghost we can know the truth of all things. Do you believe this or not? I guess maybe Moroni forgot the footnote: By the power of the holy ghost you can know the truth of all things.* *Unless the Holy Ghost tells you something I don't improve of in which case you should not follow the spirit and follow me instead. 5
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) D&C 75:10 "Calling on the name of the Lord for the Comforter, which shall teach them all things that are expedient for them" And a number of other similar verses.No. You cannot claim this with regards to what you are claiming. Rockpond. I received a personal revelation that you should to stop eating pork. Why is this revelation problematic? Furthermore personal revelation is just that, it is personal. You don't share it with the world. What was the first red flag in your narrative. The only personal revelation I am aware of that we are told to share is that of our Savior. I know the process well rockpond. Edited September 3, 2015 by Mola Ram Suda Ram 1
rockpond Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Not when it is wrong. You cannot receive a personal revelation that goes against laws of God. And as I have laid out you cannot receive revelation that goes outside your stewardship. You are claiming that the church is wrong because you received a revelation that they are wrong on this issue. You cannot claim that. Well, I don't see that it goes against the laws of God. And I'm only making claims about what I believe. And I'm also trying not to ignore questions but I don't want Scott's thread to become about me and my beliefs. Feel free to PM me if you have a sincere question but don't bother if it's just to tell me I'm wrong. No point to that.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) Then its all circular isn't it. Why pray? Moroni says that by the power of the holy ghost we can know the truth of all things. Do you believe this or not? I guess maybe Moroni forgot the footnote: By the power of the holy ghost you can know the truth of all things.* *Unless the Holy Ghost tells you something I don't improve of in which case you should not follow the spirit and follow me instead.Um there is a process. It is not circular. God reveals his will through his servants the prophets. Amos 3:7Christ told us that he would sent to us comforter to bring remembrance to us what so ever I (Christ) have spoken. IF the word has never been given to his servants first then how can it testify to some one else of something that has never been given or said? Edited September 3, 2015 by Mola Ram Suda Ram
rockpond Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 No. You cannot claim this with regards to what you are claiming. Rockpond. I received a personal revelation that you are wrong in this issue. Why is this revelation problematic? I know the process well rockpond. I can't explain why people receive contradictory revelation. But it happens. Also, see SeekingUnderstanding's response in post 528.
Scott Lloyd Posted September 3, 2015 Author Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) Then its all circular isn't it. Why pray? Moroni says that by the power of the holy ghost we can know the truth of all things. Do you believe this or not? I guess maybe Moroni forgot the footnote: By the power of the holy ghost you can know the truth of all things.* *Unless the Holy Ghost tells you something I don't improve of in which case you should not follow the spirit and follow me instead.I think what is being argued here is that the Holy Ghost will not tell you something God or Christ does not approve of. That would be from some other source. Edited September 3, 2015 by Scott Lloyd 1
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) Well, I don't see that it goes against the laws of God. And I'm only making claims about what I believe. And I'm also trying not to ignore questions but I don't want Scott's thread to become about me and my beliefs. Feel free to PM me if you have a sincere question but don't bother if it's just to tell me I'm wrong. No point to that.I am not going to PM you/. I am here to rebutt your false claim that you received a personal revelation from the holy spirit about something that you cannot receive. And I can do it with scripture. You are wrong and I have out lined why you are wrong. You have simply ignored it. Which is is not really for yo, anyway, but others that read your comments and think that you are right about your quest. Edited September 3, 2015 by Mola Ram Suda Ram
rockpond Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 I think what is being argued here is that the Holy Ghost will not tell you something God or Christ does not approve of. That would be from some other source. And since we don't have clear revelation from God or Christ regarding gay marriage, it's not really for anyone here to say that anyone else is right or wrong. 3
Jeanne Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Just keep telling your self that. You have no foundation for that claim.I can't believe you said this to Rockpond. Many times people have told me to pray and listen and get my own spiritual guidance and personal revelation from God in have a relationship with my Father in Heaven.
Jeanne Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Just keep telling your self that. You have no foundation for that claim.I can't believe you said this to Rockpond. Many times people have told me to pray and listen and get my own spiritual guidance and personal revelation from God in have a relationship with my Father in Heaven.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 And since we don't have clear revelation from God or Christ regarding gay marriage, it's not really for anyone here to say that anyone else is right or wrong.We have clear and concise teaching on the matter. And it has been that way for ages. And you come along with a claim that you received revelation that goes against that when you are not authorized to receive such. And I am to believe you. OK.
SeekingUnderstanding Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) I think what is being argued here is that the Holy Ghost will not tell you something God or Christ does not approve of. That would be from some other source.Like I said circular. How do we know if God or Christ approves of it? All we need then are the prophets and the scriptures right? Of what use then is the spirit? If you pray, and feel the spirit about something you learned from the prophet that's the Holy Ghost. If you prayer and feel the spirit about something the prophet says is wrong, that's Satan. Again why pray? Edited September 3, 2015 by SeekingUnderstanding 3
Scott Lloyd Posted September 3, 2015 Author Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) I can't believe you said this to Rockpond. Many times people have told me to pray and listen and get my own spiritual guidance and personal revelation from God in have a relationship with my Father in Heaven. Most Latter-day Saints understand that a personal revelation will not contradict the established teachings of the prophets and apostles. Any claimed personal revelation that does so is highly suspect. Edited September 3, 2015 by Scott Lloyd 2
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) I can't believe you said this to Rockpond. Many times people have told me to pray and listen and get my own spiritual guidance and personal revelation from God in have a relationship with my Father in Heaven. Yeah when you get a "revelation" that goes against scripture. Then what? Just go with it? Are you serious? This is pretty basic LDS teaching. Edited September 3, 2015 by Mola Ram Suda Ram
Buckeye Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Yeah when you get a "revelation" that goes against scripture. Then what? Just go with it? Are you serious? Nephi was serious. 1
Scott Lloyd Posted September 3, 2015 Author Posted September 3, 2015 Like I said circular. How do we know if God or Christ approves of it? All we need then are the prophets and the scriptures right? Of what use then is the spirit? If you pray, and feel the spirit about something you learned from the prophet that's the Holy Ghost. If you prayer and feel the spirit about something the prophet says is wrong, that's Satan. Again why pray?Because we are entitled through faith and humility to come to know for ourselves what they say is true as opposed to blindly following them.
rockpond Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 We have clear and concise teaching on the matter. And it has been that way for ages. And you come along with a claim that you received revelation that goes against that when you are not authorized to receive such. And I am to believe you. OK. No. You shouldn't be listening to me. You should be seeking your own witness. 4
SeekingUnderstanding Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Um there is a process. It is not circular. God reveals his will through his servants the prophets. Amos 3:7Christ told us that he would sent to us comforter to bring remembrance to us what so ever I (Christ) have spoken. IF the word has never been given to his servants first then how can it testify to some one else of something that has never been given or said? So you disagree with Moroni who said that by the power of the Holy Ghost we can know the truth of all things? In your mind, the spirit can only confirm (never deny) the words of the prophets. If this is the case why have the Holy Ghost at all? 2
SeekingUnderstanding Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Yeah when you get a "revelation" that goes against scripture. Then what? Just go with it? Are you serious? This is pretty basic LDS teaching.There are no scriptures on Gay marriage last I checked. 2
DJBrown Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 And since we don't have clear revelation from God or Christ regarding gay marriage, it's not really for anyone here to say that anyone else is right or wrong. This is an absolute dismissal of our prophets and apostles. They have spoken as clearly as we could expect them to- over and over and over. 1
Scott Lloyd Posted September 3, 2015 Author Posted September 3, 2015 Nephi was serious.If you are referring to the account of the slaying of Laban, read it again. The Spirit brought to Nephi's remembrance a passage of scripture. He was not departing from established revelation.
Scott Lloyd Posted September 3, 2015 Author Posted September 3, 2015 So you disagree with Moroni who said that by the power of the Holy Ghost we can know the truth of all things? In your mind, the spirit can only confirm (never deny) the words of the prophets. If this is the case why have the Holy Ghost at all?Moroni didn't say that by the power of the Holy Ghost you can come to know things that contradict the anointed servants of God acting in their role as prophets and apostles. 2
rockpond Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 This is an absolute dismissal of our prophets and apostles. They have spoken as clearly as we could expect them to- over and over and over. Nope. It's just a recognition that they haven't claimed to have received any revelation on the matter. Assuming revelation has been received when it no such evidence exists hasn't worked well for us in the past. 1
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