Mystery Meat Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 As usual, Saint, you've done an admirable job pointing out the black letter law out to us. (You've missed your calling! It's not too late! Why don't you apply to your closest law school?) The question isn't what the law is; I think most all of us know that (some of us better than others, even ); it's what it should be. I took a few Social Work Law classes at university. Did well but really had no real interest in pursuing it. I'm content with the Social Work Code of Ethics. SEE http://socialworkers.org/pubs/code/code.asp For better or worse when I go before mortal judges for something I did both they and I are bound to the "Black Letter" of the law. What should be the laws concerning discrimination in the market place? Say I don't like Mormons coming into my grocery store. Do I get to question all my potential customers to determine if their religious beliefs align with mine? Grocery stores you shouldn't (providing a necessity). If you changed it to a bakery, than absolutely you should have that right and be able to deny service to a Mormon. 1
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TheSkepticChristian Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) They could always bake their own cake. (GASP!) I am not aware of a constitutional right to a professionally made and designed wedding cake. So you want to make life more unfair. Sigh. You have a hard time staying focused don't you? You also like making assumptions about what other believe, huh? it's all the same stuff anti-gay marriage, religious freedom, protect businesses over and over again, all Republican topics (which are against the rules). I make assumptions because most conservative Republicans believe in the same stuff. "Be careful when you try to lay a trap to catch someone in their hypocrisy. You may just end up looking ignorant when its all said and done." I am ignorant about a lot of stuff Edited July 12, 2015 by TheSkepticChristian
thesometimesaint Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 I'm not a member of any political party. They are all full of things I don't agree with.
carbon dioxide Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 Say I own a grocery store, and have a deeply held religious belief against green beans. There is no law requiring me to carry and/or sell green beans to anyone. However if I do carry and/or sell green beans I can not legally to refuse to sell them to you.That is the key. Sell wedding cakes but decorate all of them with a heterosexual marriage theme. Write the words "man and woman is marriage" on all the cakes. Offer those cakes to gays if they want to get married but they gets the exact same same cake that the heterosexuals get with the same decorations. I think the gays will move to another shop.
thesometimesaint Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 Say I own a grocery store, and have a deeply held religious belief against green beans. There is no law requiring me to carry and/or sell green beans to anyone. However if I do carry and/or sell green beans I can not legally to refuse to sell them to you.That is the key. Sell wedding cakes but decorate all of them with a heterosexual marriage theme. Write the words "man and woman is marriage" on all the cakes. Offer those cakes to gays if they want to get married but they gets the exact same same cake that the heterosexuals get with the same decorations. I think the gays will move to another shop. The law doesn't stop them from doing that. But I've not seen many wedding cakes that have the words "man and woman is marriage" on all the cakes.SEE http://www.cakepicturegallery.com/v/wedding-cakes/
california boy Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 Say I own a grocery store, and have a deeply held religious belief against green beans. There is no law requiring me to carry and/or sell green beans to anyone. However if I do carry and/or sell green beans I can not legally to refuse to sell them to you.That is the key. Sell wedding cakes but decorate all of them with a heterosexual marriage theme. Write the words "man and woman is marriage" on all the cakes. Offer those cakes to gays if they want to get married but they gets the exact same same cake that the heterosexuals get with the same decorations. I think the gays will move to another shop.Say I own a grocery store, and have a deeply held religious belief against green beans. There is no law requiring me to carry and/or sell green beans to anyone. However if I do carry and/or sell green beans I can not legally to refuse to sell them to you.That is the key. Sell wedding cakes but decorate all of them with a heterosexual marriage theme. Write the words "man and woman is marriage" on all the cakes. Offer those cakes to gays if they want to get married but they gets the exact same same cake that the heterosexuals get with the same decorations. I think the gays will move to another shop.I don't have a problem with that as long as they sell the exact same cake to everyone. It is discrimination that I am adamantly against there is no place for discrimination based on race, religion, sex, or gender orientation. It is adainst the civil rights laws and I think fundamentally against the teachings of Christ 1
Damien the Leper Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 Are you sure you're not thinking of at-will employment? At-will employment allows either party to terminate an employment relationship at any time, with or without cause, and reasonable minds can differ as to the desirability of this provision. Most employees want the flexibility to be able to tell their employers to take a flying leap off of a short pier without being saddled with any obligations to their employer relating to terminating the relationship. I lack the tools (and, frankly, probably the background) to do proper research: perhaps all "non-at-will" jurisdictions impose obligations only on the employer while imposing none on the employee, such that, absent a contract, an employee always is free to terminate his relationship with an employer at any time anf for any reason. As undesirable as it might be for employers to be able to dismiss employees with or without cause, however, it's conceivable that a regime that is not at-will may well impose obligations on either or both parties relating to terminating the relationship, granting rights to an employer while limiting rights of an employee. However, right-to-work means that an employer cannot require an employee to join a union as a condition of employment.* *This comes with the usual caveat: I am not a lawyer, and this post should not be construed as legal advice. Anyone needing such advice with respect to his employment rights should contact an attorney who's licensed to practice in the jurisdiction where the question(s) arise(s). No, here it is called right to work.
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