thesometimesaint Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 I thought this was an interesting article. http://creation.com/noahs-flood-and-the-gilgamesh-epic "‘Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the Ark. Then the Flood came and destroyed them all.’ (Luke 17:26–27)In this passage, Jesus straightforwardly talks about Noah as a real person (who was His ancestor—Luke 3:36), the Ark as a real vessel, and the Flood as a real event. So those of a broadly conservative theological disposition will not deny the Flood completely, but will claim that it was merely a local event, usually in Mesopotamia (ancient Iraq).2 However, the liberals, who care nothing for Jesus’s words, go even further. A very common view is that the biblical story of Noah’s Flood was not historical at all, and was borrowed from flood legends in Mesopotamia." I'm fine with Noah being a Prophet of God, and reporting accurately what he saw. A massive albeit regional flood. 1
SamIam Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 Hydroplate. Walt Brown's model proposes that the Flood waters came from a layer of water about ten miles underground, which was released by a catastrophic rupture of the earth's crust, shot above the atmosphere, and fell as rain. Where is the evidence? The escaping waters would have eroded the sides of the fissures, producing poorly sorted basaltic erosional deposits. These would be concentrated mainly near the fissures, but some would be shot thousands of miles along with the water. (Noah would have had to worry about falling rocks along with the rain.) Such deposits would be quite noticeable but have never been seen. Ringwoodite may answer your question. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/earth-secret-reservoir-water-scientists-191039455.html#huF8Rd
Rob Osborn Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Disbelieving the global flood to me is ne who lacks faith.
Teancum Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Disbelieving the global flood to me is ne who lacks faith. Why not have faith in elves and fairies too then? 1
ERayR Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Why not have faith in elves and fairies too then? Whatever floats your boat.
Teancum Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Whatever floats your boat. I love the Lord of the Rings... so hey!
thesometimesaint Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Ringwoodite may answer your question. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/earth-secret-reservoir-water-scientists-191039455.html#huF8Rd Hydrates are some of the most common minerals in the universe.
Rob Osborn Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Why not have faith in elves and fairies too then?Where does Christ refer to elves and fairies? Oh yeah- He dosen't.
bcuzbcuz Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Disbelieving the global flood to me is ne who lacks faith.Yup!, That about nails it.Along with zero evidence and details beyond rhyme and reason.
Rob Osborn Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Yup!, That about nails it.Along with zero evidence and details beyond rhyme and reason.Do you believe in the resurrection? What about eternal life? Where is the evidence for it in our natural world? People like to cherry pick just what they want to believe and nothing else. Faith, my friend, has disappeared. BTW, there is "mountains" of evidence for the flood.
ERayR Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 (edited) I love the Lord of the Rings... so hey! I am not so much on Lord of the Rings but the Dune series had some interesting philosophy. Edited January 3, 2015 by ERayR
ERayR Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 I'm fine with Noah being a Prophet of God, and reporting accurately what he saw. A massive albeit regional flood. Are you reporting as an eye witness?
mnn727 Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 BTW, there is "mountains" of evidence for the flood.no,there is zero evidence for a world wide flood and tons against it. 1
ERayR Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 BTW, there is "mountains" of evidence for the flood. no,there is zero evidence for a world wide flood and tons against it. It all depends on who is interpreting the evidence.
Rob Osborn Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 no,there is zero evidence for a world wide flood and tons against it. Well, according to secular humanism ideology, you are right. But then again- according to that same ideology, God doesn't exist and morals are relative to individuals. Take your pick I guess.
SamIam Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) Hydrates are some of the most common minerals in the universe. However, this particular olivene hydrate, ringwoodite was never identified as a constituent of this earth until March of 2014. Thus whatever your claim it seems to not be current with the scientific state. At 1.5% it is hypothesized to hold enough water to cover the earth. Science until now has always debunked the global flood on the merits of being a contained system and there was no proof of adequate water source...until now. If you read the article it is science making these claims, not only scripture. Edited January 3, 2015 by SamIam 1
thesometimesaint Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) However, this particular olivene hydrate, ringwoodite was never identified as a constituent of this earth until March of 2014. Thus whatever your claim it seems to not be current with the scientific state. At 1.5% it is hypothesized to hold enough water to cover the earth. Science until now has always debunked the global flood on the merits of being a contained system and there was no proof of adequate water source...until now. If you read the article it is science making these claims, not only scripture. Did gravity exist before Newton explained it? See Hydroplate idea debunked.http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html Hydroplate. Walt Brown's model proposes that the Flood waters came from a layer of water about ten miles underground, which was released by a catastrophic rupture of the earth's crust, shot above the atmosphere, and fell as rain.How was the water contained? Rock, at least the rock which makes up the earth's crust, doesn't float. The water would have been forced to the surface long before Noah's time, or Adam's time for that matter.Even a mile deep, the earth is boiling hot, and thus the reservoir of water would be superheated. Further heat would be added by the energy of the water falling from above the atmosphere. As with the vapor canopy model, Noah would have been poached.Where is the evidence? The escaping waters would have eroded the sides of the fissures, producing poorly sorted basaltic erosional deposits. These would be concentrated mainly near the fissures, but some would be shot thousands of miles along with the water. (Noah would have had to worry about falling rocks along with the rain.) Such deposits would be quite noticeable but have never been seen. Edited January 3, 2015 by thesometimesaint
LittleNipper Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 God protected Noah. God holds the Universe together. I can imagine He could deal with planet earth.
thesometimesaint Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 God protected Noah. God holds the Universe together. I can imagine He could deal with planet earth. God can do whatever he wants. However when we look for evidence for what it is claimed he did other considerations come into play. Surely, God could have caused birds to fly with their bones made of solid gold, with their veins full of quicksilver, with their flesh heavier than lead, and with their wings exceedingly small. He did not, and that ought to show something. It is only in order to shield your ignorance that you put the Lord at every turn to the refuge of a miracle.Galileo the Theist
Freedom Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Chapters 1&2 of The Book of Genesis is not a history or science text, it is a temple text. You are completely missing the message of these chapters if you insist on using it to explain how the earth came to be. It teaches us why, not how. It is about covenants, not about geology.
ERayR Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Did gravity exist before Newton explained it? See Hydroplate idea debunked.http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html Hydroplate. Walt Brown's model proposes that the Flood waters came from a layer of water about ten miles underground, which was released by a catastrophic rupture of the earth's crust, shot above the atmosphere, and fell as rain.How was the water contained? Rock, at least the rock which makes up the earth's crust, doesn't float. The water would have been forced to the surface long before Noah's time, or Adam's time for that matter.Even a mile deep, the earth is boiling hot, and thus the reservoir of water would be superheated. Further heat would be added by the energy of the water falling from above the atmosphere. As with the vapor canopy model, Noah would have been poached.Where is the evidence? The escaping waters would have eroded the sides of the fissures, producing poorly sorted basaltic erosional deposits. These would be concentrated mainly near the fissures, but some would be shot thousands of miles along with the water. (Noah would have had to worry about falling rocks along with the rain.) Such deposits would be quite noticeable but have never been seen. Even if hydroplate is not valid the above reasoning is also not valid. If it were then there would be no underground water and/or all wells would be spouting water fountains.
LittleNipper Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Does the Bible show how, when and where the Lord Jesus Christ came to be? Or does the Bible only teach why Jesus Christ came? I find that science is flawed. And the sooner that people understand that man does not possess absolute reasoning along with all the data, the sooner man will see why God came to save sinful men and not smart know it all intelligent ones.
Freedom Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Even if hydroplate is not valid the above reasoning is also not valid. If it were then there would be no underground water and/or all wells would be spouting water fountains.There is a huge difference between underground cracks willed with water and the occasional cave and an underground ocean sufficiently large to flood the earth. As sink holes attest, these underground water routs only last so long, and once they get too large, they collapse. Further, they are always very close to the surface in geological terms.
thesometimesaint Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Even if hydroplate is not valid the above reasoning is also not valid. If it were then there would be no underground water and/or all wells would be spouting water fountains. No one that I know of is arguing that wells including artesian wells don't exist.SEE http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/artesian+well
SamIam Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) Did gravity exist before Newton explained it? See Hydroplate idea debunked.http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html Hydroplate. Walt Brown's model proposes that the Flood waters came from a layer of water about ten miles underground, which was released by a catastrophic rupture of the earth's crust, shot above the atmosphere, and fell as rain.How was the water contained? Rock, at least the rock which makes up the earth's crust, doesn't float. The water would have been forced to the surface long before Noah's time, or Adam's time for that matter.Even a mile deep, the earth is boiling hot, and thus the reservoir of water would be superheated. Further heat would be added by the energy of the water falling from above the atmosphere. As with the vapor canopy model, Noah would have been poached.Where is the evidence? The escaping waters would have eroded the sides of the fissures, producing poorly sorted basaltic erosional deposits. These would be concentrated mainly near the fissures, but some would be shot thousands of miles along with the water. (Noah would have had to worry about falling rocks along with the rain.) Such deposits would be quite noticeable but have never been seen. You are making no sense. It is never a conversation with you - always a sparring match. Edited January 3, 2015 by SamIam
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