Is It Essential To My Salvation?

[wenglund]

FWIW, I've never known cinepro to be a fundamentalist, black-and-white thinker, and it's always disappointing to have this accusation brought out of the basement again.

 

If I had accused cinepro of being a fundamentalist, black/white thinker, then there may have been cause for you to reach down from your high horse to make accusations about basements. I didn't. I simply, and correctly, indicated that the way he characterized a specific belief was black/white, and I expressed doubt that it can rightly be done so for the entirety of the Church. Please take more care in your reading and be somewhat less inclined to knee-jerk reactions.

 

 

 

For me, the atonement validates our fallen state, whether or not the fall was an actual event, because we cannot be redeemed from something we haven't done. We say the atonement was an "event," but I don't think any of us really grasps what that event was, other than its involving Jesus suffering for the sins of all humanity. Even if we take it as literal, I'm not sure what that means, and we certainly will never understand the particulars.

 

To an extent, I agree. I believe there are a number of layers within the creation/fall narrative as well as the atonement that permit a host of reasonable permutations of literal and figurative interpretations that array across a multi-dimensional spectrum of meanings, the full measure of understand we may not be all that close to approaching in mortality, in part since we have yet to personally experience one of the key elements of the atonement--i.e. the resurrection.

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Edited October 15, 2013 by wenglund

[cinepro]

Gotta love the black/white thinking here. However, I don't believe the Church/gospel can eactly be shoehorned into that little fundamentalist box.

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

My post was simply explaining the Church's view as expressed in official Church publications by Church leaders. If that is "black/white thinking" and "fundamentalist", then unless you can provide other quotes from the Church website that provide a "grayer" and less "fundamentalist" point of view, I can only understand your comment to mean that the Church has a black/white view on the subject, with which I would agree.

Edited October 15, 2013 by cinepro

[jkwilliams]

If I had accused cinepro of being a fundamentalist, black/white thinker, then there may have been cause for you to reach down from your high horse to make accusations about basements. I didn't. I simply, and correctly, indicated that the way he characterized a specific belief was black/white, and I expressed doubt that it can rightly be done so for the entirety of the Church. Please take more care in your reading and be somewhat less inclined to knee-jerk reactions.

 

After all these years, one thing never changes: I never am able to understand your posts, no matter how hard I try.

[wenglund]

My post was simply explaining the Church's view as expressed in official Church publications by Church leaders. If that is "black/white thinking" and "fundamentalist", then unless you can provide other quotes from the Church website that provide a "grayer" and less "fundamentalist" point of view, I can only understand your comment to mean that the Church has a black/white view on the subject, with which I would agree.

 

No. It was an over simplification. I just did a search of the Church website using the parameters of "fall of Adam and Eve literal," and while I could find mention of the resurrection as literal, I could not find the fall so described.

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[wenglund]

After all these years, one thing never changes: I never am able to understand your posts, no matter how hard I try.

 

Perhaps that is because my mind is in the basement and yours is not.

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[mfbukowski]

We have raised generations now of kids who have never been spanked or really punished for anything, except by maybe turning off the video games for an hour, and have been given nearly everything they want.

 

And these kids are supposed to believe in hellfire and a God who would send them into eternal burnings because they got their religious beliefs wrong?

 

I think it is inevitable that the standards of what is "essential for salvation" or even what "salvation" IS- as being saved from punishment- is in for a rough time.