inquiringmind Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 Who are the tares in the parable of the tares and the wheat (Matt.13 and D&C 86)?Are they the same as the goats in Matt. 25 (and are they all sons of perdition)? 1
blackstrap Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 I'll give you one, Stalin.Tares are weeds. Noxious weeds that use up the soil nutrients and give little or no value to the landowner. They are not just sons of perdition, but also servants of wickedness who are only out for their own aggrandizement ,glory and benefit . They take no thought of their fellow man except to see how they might use and abuse them. 2
blackstrap Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 Albertans and people from MaineCareful Duncan or I will sick my lapdog on you and he will 'tare' you a ...... 1
Mudcat Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 Who are the tares in the parable of the tares and the wheat (Matt.13 and D&C 86)?Are they the same as the goats in Matt. 25 (and are they all sons of perdition)?To your second question. I think it would be fair to say the goats and tares hold the same place. These sorts of parables seem to draw distinction between follower of God and follower of anything else.Can't speak to the D&C passage, as I am not LDS, but I always wondered why it made more sense to keep the tares growing with the wheat. The offered premise seems to be that the early destruction of the wicked could also destroy believers/wheat.Parables are a tricky thing in a doctrinal sense. 2
Palerider Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 (edited) By inference, the tares are not only wicked men, but also the false doctrines that they teach, whether in or out of the "church". It is interesting to me that the Lord expressly forbids an attempt to "restore" the field to it's "original" purity but prefers to allow his children to grow and find their way and thus they truly choose to follow Him when they encounter His true doctrines as they seek them. Edited April 24, 2013 by Palerider 1
SamIam Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 Who are the tares in the parable of the tares and the wheat (Matt.13 and D&C 86)?Are they the same as the goats in Matt. 25 (and are they all sons of perdition)?The term tares is in reference to a plant in the middle east called darnel grass. It is particularly unsavory when mixed in wheat as it looks exactly like wheat up until the point of when it bears fruit, only then can it be readily discerned. Thus the greater analogy is that tares are saints - or perhaps sometime saints might be a better term for them. Ostensibly they are mixed in with the valiant and are not readily discerned until by their fruits you can know them. Thus they are allowed to grow in with the wheat until the harvest when they can best be discovered for their failure to bring forth the fruit of the righteous. They are not necessarily son's of perdition and I suspect not even commonly would they be found as such. Darnel is a poisonous plant and so these sometime saints would be those that dilute faith, or encourage perspectives that do not strengthen the spirits of men but more often undermine true believers. The sheep and goats analogy is of similar interpretation. 3
volgadon Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 The term tares is in reference to a plant in the middle east called darnel grass. It is particularly unsavory when mixed in wheat as it looks exactly like wheat up until the point of when it bears fruit, only then can it be readily discerned.Thus the greater analogy is that tares are saints - or perhaps sometime saints might be a better term for them. Ostensibly they are mixed in with the valiant and are not readily discerned until by their fruits you can know them. Thus they are allowed to grow in with the wheat until the harvest when they can best be discovered for their failure to bring forth the fruit of the righteous. They are not necessarily son's of perdition and I suspect not even commonly would they be found as such. Darnel is a poisonous plant and so these sometime saints would be those that dilute faith, or encourage perspectives that do not strengthen the spirits of men but more often undermine true believers.The sheep and goats analogy is of similar interpretation.When we were kids we used throw tares at each other like darts. 1
Maidservant Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 I do not think that these references are about 'who'. Because we all have the chance to change. But it represents the struggle we have in this world between error and knowledge, and God doesn't always handpick it all out for it--we have to gain our own knowledge and find the wheat.And the systems of this world will be broken and we will have an era of peace, or as I believe. But even people who have been wicked and done wicked things might see the light then also and be relieved that they are no longer captives of systems that they didn't realize they were captive of. 1
CASteinman Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 Tares and goats are the rebellious, hard hearted and the secretly devious among the population of the Church.
Saints Alive Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 (edited) Who are the tares in the parable of the tares and the wheat (Matt.13 and D&C 86)?99.9% of the people who post here. (Self included)Seriously though, I don't think that there is a set subgroup of people who are tares, rather we all can be either wheat or tares. What is important is what we are at the final judgement. Sometimes we try to take parables to literally and interpret them to strictly. IMHO of course. Edited April 24, 2013 by Saints Alive
Questing Beast Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 Who are the tares in the parable of the tares and the wheat (Matt.13 and D&C 86)?Are they the same as the goats in Matt. 25 (and are they all sons of perdition)?We are the tares, all of us are a "honey-bunch of stink weeds". As such we take our turn "choking" others with our toxicity. We must repent "with all due dispatch" whenever we have formed a toxic influence upon someone else, not excuse ourselves.And what is it that Jesus had against goats? I've always wondered about that. Goats are quite as tractable as sheep if you don't insult their intelligence....
Saints Alive Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 (edited) .And what is it that Jesus had against goats? I've always wondered about that. Goats are quite as tractable as sheep if you don't insult their intelligence....And unless you're into sheep's wool, goats don't have to be trimmed. Maybe Jesus had a thing for wool? Edited April 24, 2013 by Saints Alive
Rob Osborn Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 The parable of the wheat and the tares is the same as the sheep and the goats. The tares are the children of the wicked one (actual people who are sons of perdition) while the wheat are those whose names are retained in the book of life who are the children of Christ. Important to the parable is that the tares choke the wheat nearly to death causing them to be on the brink of being unable to bring forth fruit (works of salvation). The great millennium is the harvest (it has started now though in preparing Christs return) when all the wheat (names of the children of Christ) are gathered and stored in the garners (names written in books and recorded in temples/proxy temple work). It is after all the names have been secured, the saints have all beared their fruits of salvation, that then the tares which are left are bound in strong bundles (loss of all their power over the children of Christ) and burned (cast into the lake of fire and brimstone.) at the end of the millennium.
SamIam Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 When we were kids we used throw tares at each other like darts.Would your siblings have considered you an adversary and did you light yours on fire before you threw them?...seems there is a reference some where about fiery darts...
CASteinman Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 Goats are not quite like Sheep. In a way, they are more fun. But they can hurt you. 1
urroner Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 If a wheat and a tare look very much alike, who are we to judge who is or who isn't a tare? 2
Mudcat Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 If a wheat and a tare look very much alike, who are we to judge who is or who isn't a tare?A servant of the Lord, I would suppose.. at least that is the way the parable worked out. It's sort of neat.. that way.Thing that gets me is trying to read the parable for the householder/God's perspective. Setting: A farmServant: Hey did you know you got some weeds in the good stuffGod: Well I am omniscient, so I guess you could says so....Servant: You want me to pull em outGod: Nah.. I got that covered It makes sense to me that we should judge by the fruit we do see, but God has the power to change the heart of the willing. Even at our best, we see the short run of things and judge accordingly. I imagine God knows that their are fruitful lands we would judge fallow. 3
tyler90az Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 I think it is a parable about the whole world. Wheats are the believers and tares are the non-believers. It explains that the devil is the cause of unfaithfullness. That if the unfaithful were to be uprooted we would not be able to progress.Why is this parable likened to the church so much and not the world?
CASteinman Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 Why is this parable likened to the church so much and not the world?Maybe because it is introduced as a parable of the Kingdom of Heaven.
inquiringmind Posted April 25, 2013 Author Posted April 25, 2013 Maybe because it is introduced as a parable of the Kingdom of Heaven.D&C 86:2 does say that "the field was the world."I wonder if any of the tares could be spoken of here?These are they who are thrust down to ahell. These are they who shall not be redeemed from the adevil until the blast resurrection, until the Lord, even Christ the cLamb, shall have finished his work.These are they who receive not of his fulness in the eternal world, but of the Holy Spirit through the ministration of the terrestrial; And the terrestrial through the aministration of the celestial. And also the telestial receive it of the administering of angels who are appointed to minister for them, or who are appointed to be aministering spirits for them; for they shall be bheirs of salvation.(D&C 76:84-88.) 1
CASteinman Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 D&C 86:2 does say that "the field was the world."Excellent point. Thanks. And a plus 1
tyler90az Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 If we look at the parable as about the church it leads us to judge. That parable then becomes a road block to unity. When it should be one of the most unifying parables Jesus has ever taught.
tyler90az Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 Would you believe me if I told you every member in the church right now is considered wheat? It matters not what he is doing as long as he is taking Sacrament regularly. That does not mean all members will remain wheat. Eventually those taking the Sacrament unworthy or doing any number of other abominations will be sifted or become righteous. Till that great day when only the righteous are counted among the wheat. Trust in the Lord and be one. What a great parable.
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 Who are the tares in the parable of the tares and the wheat (Matt.13 and D&C 86)?Are they the same as the goats in Matt. 25 (and are they all sons of perdition)?No, not all are sons of perdition...in fact few.
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