Evangeline Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 As I listen to the likes of the dreaded anti mormon Shawn McCraney, he puts over that if we don't accept Jesus as being God in the flesh, we might go to the place called "hell" and also, if we aren't born again, etc. So therefore I'm constantly thinking this might be the case or that we might be following a false prophet (J.S.) Tacenda, I can't accept the idea that anyone who doesn't become a "born again" Christian will go to h###. Why even entertain such a terrible notion? I have many friends who are not Christians, but they are wonderful, loving human beings who teach me so much. I want nothing but the best for them, and I believe that they will all have a chance to accept the gospel, even if it is after mortality. I could never accept the idea that they are all condemned to eternal torment because they didn't follow some formula in this life. Frankly, that doesn't even sound like the God I believe in.
Tacenda Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 (edited) Tacenda, I can't accept the idea that anyone who doesn't become a "born again" Christian will go to h###. Why even entertain such a terrible notion? I have many friends who are not Christians, but they are wonderful, loving human beings who teach me so much. I want nothing but the best for them, and I believe that they will all have a chance to accept the gospel, even if it is after mortality. I could never accept the idea that they are all condemned to eternal torment because they didn't follow some formula in this life. Frankly, that doesn't even sound like the God I believe in.Yes, the LDS version is much nicer. I guess I'm worried I have a false sense of security. I really do need to get a life. I want to go back to the safe place I once had in the church, where as long you're doing the best you can, then you'll be fine. Edited August 10, 2012 by Tacenda 2
Kevin Christensen Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 I read all the writings from both of your replies, it took me a long time because I had to read over each sentence on the links, many times. I saw that FAIRMORMON used alot of what was in Margaret Barker's letter. It was really interesting how Margaret conjoined alot ot Lehi's experience with the Old Testament and how she thought the revelations to Joseph Smith were consistent with the situation in Jerusalem at about 600 B.C.E. There are many things to ponder and think about. I really appreciate the time you both took on this. Instead of just assuming I had alterior motives. I just wish it didn't mostly go over my head a bit. So if you both ever feel inclined to dumb it down for me that would be great. (haha) I feel I need to be honest on one thing so you can see why I'm struggling with this. As I listen to the likes of the dreaded anti mormon Shawn McCraney, he puts over that if we don't accept Jesus as being God in the flesh, we might go to the place called "hell" and also, if we aren't born again, etc. So therefore I'm constantly thinking this might be the case or that we might be following a false prophet (J.S.) So now you might be thinking satan has taken hold of me. Which is something I would assume would happen. But when there are scriptures in the bible I'd never heard of that point to that, it keeps me from progressing. If it weren't for people like you who don't jump to conclusions in thinking I'm anti, who knows where I'd be. Even my bishop who knows of my concerns and lack of testimony, is very kind and friendly to me despite it.I'm glad you've found this helpful. Ben is one of the best informed and perceptive participants on this board. Regarding your anxiety about the possibility of following a false prophet, you might find this helpful:http://en.fairmormon.org/Biblical_Keys_for_Discerning_True_and_False_ProphetsIt's designed to let you explore at your own pace, and at the level of detail you can handle.Best,Kevin ChristensenPittsburgh, PA 1
Tacenda Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 I'm glad you've found this helpful. Ben is one of the best informed and perceptive participants on this board. Regarding your anxiety about the possibility of following a false prophet, you might find this helpful:http://en.fairmormon.org/Biblical_Keys_for_Discerning_True_and_False_ProphetsIt's designed to let you explore at your own pace, and at the level of detail you can handle.Best,Kevin ChristensenPittsburgh, PAThanks for the link. And so thankful for this board!
Ahab Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Apologetics is, by its very nature, a response to a pre-existing criticism. Therefore it is fundamentally a defensive posture. That said, it can be executed in such a way that critics are placed in the position of having to defend their weak arguments.That's my tactic and I'm sticking to it.
USU78 Posted August 13, 2012 Posted August 13, 2012 Come here for the social aspect because I can't discuss this with members of my ward, need answers, but not trying to hurt anyones testimony, but think I've crossed the line apparently here. So sorry.You have nothing to be sorry about, T.No lines anywhere in sight. 1
Tacenda Posted August 13, 2012 Posted August 13, 2012 (edited) You have nothing to be sorry about, T.No lines anywhere in sight.Thanks USU78. No lines? No wonder I like this board so much! Edited August 13, 2012 by Tacenda
Vance Posted August 13, 2012 Posted August 13, 2012 I'm glad you've found this helpful. Ben is one of the best informed and perceptive participants on this board.Regarding your anxiety about the possibility of following a false prophet, you might find this helpful:http://en.fairmormon..._False_ProphetsIt's designed to let you explore at your own pace, and at the level of detail you can handle.Best,Kevin ChristensenPittsburgh, PAThank you for the work you did.
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