Name Of The Anti-Christ Revealed By Jesus?

[Zakuska]

Watch this video. Then you Decide.

These are the verses used:

Luke 10:18

18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Isaiah 14

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

We aren't talking about a direct translation here... more an interpretation of Concepts. Of a light barer falling from the heights.

Now the bible being written in Hebrew or Aramaic gives us the following:

Strongs:

(Word #) 1299 baraq baw-rak' a primitive root; to lighten (lightning):--cast forth.

(Word #) 1300 baraq baw-rawk' from 'baraq' (1299); lightning; by analogy, a gleam; concretely, a flashing sword:--bright, glitter(-ing sword), lightning.

'O' a commonly used Hebrew poetic joiner.

Strongs:

(Word #) 1116 bamah bam-maw' from an unused root (meaning to be high); an elevation:--height, high place, wave.

Which gives us the name of the Anti-Christ as :

baraq 'O' bam-maw

Coincidence?! or a Stretch?

Barak Obamas name in Bible Code:

Year 2012 in Bible Code:

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Edited April 20, 2012 by Zakuska

[jwhitlock]

An interesting example of the lengths people will go in order to draw tenuous conclusions.

[Zakuska]

Mitt Romney vs Obama For President in 2012 according to bible Code:

Deut 28

9 The Lord shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the Lord thy God, and walk in his ways.

10 And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the Lord; and they shall be afraid of thee.

11 And the Lord shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

12 The Lord shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.

13 And the Lord shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the Lord thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:

14 And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.

15 ¶But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

16 Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.

17 Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.

Edited April 20, 2012 by Zakuska

[mfbukowski]

Watch this video. Then you Decide.

I just wish he had spelled "heights" right in the video.

This sounds like a job for...... Super Volgadon!! He must be summoned immediately!

[LDS_RM]

seems a very big stretch to simply combine two word "lighting" and "heights" then claim those two words actually mean ligthing from the heights.

Also found this:

Summary of the eRumor:

A video on the Internet from an unnamed person that suggests that a behind-the-scenes look at the languages Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew reveals that in the Bible in Luke 10:18, Jesus may have revealed the name of the Antichrist. The video suggests that it’s Barack Obama. The Truth:

The Antichrist, according to many Christian teachers, is a person who will fulfill Biblical prophesy by becoming a powerful leader in the world but will be an evil ruler, a false messiah, a person who is either against or the opposite of Jesus Christ.

TuthOrFiction.com has not found any scholar of Greek, Aramaic, or Hebrew who can vouch for the interpretation of Luke 10:18 pointing to Barack Obama.

The video is based entirely on the verse in Luke 10:18, in which Jesus says, “I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” KJV

The video says that the words in the verse were translated into English from the Greek New Testament, but were spoken by Jesus in Aramaic. It also says that Aramaic is “the most ancient form of Hebrew.” It goes on to say that the Hebrew word for “lightning” is “baraq.”

Then the video goes to the book if Isaiah in the Bible, chapter 14:14 where Satan is quoted as saying “I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most high.” According to the video, there are several references to Satan as having fallen from the “heights” or the “heavens” and that the Hebrew word used for heights is “bamah.” Further, according to the video, there are conditions in Hebrew in which “bamah” would have sometimes been pronounced “U-bamah” or “O-bamah” and would have been translated literally as “Lightening from the heights.”

Therefore “Baraq U-Bamah” or “O-bamah.”

To get some insight into these claims, TruthOrFiction.com contacted Dr. Tom Finley, Professor of Old Testament and Semitics and Chair, Old Testament and Semitics Department at Talbot Theological Seminary in La Mirada , California . Let’s look at them one at a time:

Dr. Finley says that most scholars agree that Jesus probably spoke and taught in Aramaic, but that there is debate on that topic.

He did point out that it is not accurate to say that “Aramaic is the most ancient form of Hebrew?” Not at all. According to Dr. Finley, Hebrew and Aramaic are two distinct languages, although closely related.

He confirmed that the word for lightning is indeed “baraq” in Hebrew. In Aramaic it’s “beraq.”

Dr. Finley said that in Hebrew "bama" means "back," "hill," or "high place, place of worship" (Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament). In Isaiah 14:14 the term refers to "the heights of the clouds" (KJV) or "the back of a cloud" (a Jewish translation called Tanakh) or "the tops of the clouds" (NRSV).

However, he said that the normal word for "heavens" in Hebrew is "shamayim," and that is the word used in Isaiah 14:12 ("How you are fallen from heaven.")

“Even if we granted that bama could mean "heaven" by itself (that is, without adding a word like "clouds" after it),” Dr. Finley said, “the combination that the video makes, "baraq u/o bama," could only mean "lightning and heaven," not "lightning from heaven" or "the heights").

Further, according to Dr. Finley, “What Jesus said in Luke 10:18 was, in the KJV, "Satan as lightning fall from heaven." If he spoke it in Aramaic, then "from heaven" should be "min shemayya." If Hebrew it should be "mehashamayim." It is impossible that he would have used "bama" for "heaven," whether in Hebrew or Aramaic. In Greek it is "ek tou ouranou." And of course this doesn't address how to account for "and" in the alleged name "baraq u/o bama."

Dr. Finley concluded, “Someone has been playing around with these languages in a rather silly way.”

[Zakuska]

"is a person who will fulfill Biblical prophesy by becoming a powerful leader in the world but will be an evil ruler, a false messiah, a person who is either against or the opposite of Jesus Christ."

Sounds to me it describes the President pretty precisely.

Edited April 20, 2012 by Zakuska

[mercyngrace]

I saw this some time back and it still cracks me up. I'm not a BO fan and I did not vote for him but really?

Remember when Ronald Wilson Reagan was called the anti-Christ because each of his names has six letters making the mystical 6-6-6?

Ugh.

PS I'm with you, MFB. If you are going to make an entire argument based on words and semantics, at least be able to spell the words you're basing your argument upon.

[Maidservant]

The anti-Christ is not one person.

Edited April 20, 2012 by Maidservant

[Zakuska]

seems a very big stretch to simply combine two word "lighting" and "heights" then claim those two words actually mean ligthing from the heights.

Also found this:

This sounds like the same arguments used by critics against the BOA.

[Cobalt-70]

Before November, expect to see similar videos purporting to prove that Mitt Romney is the antichrist. I think every presidential candidate has probably been "proven" to be the antichrist at one time or other, but Romney will be especially vulnerable given his Mormonism. But that proves a quandry for conservative-leaning Evangelicals. Who do you vote for when both of the candidates are the antichrist?

Edited April 21, 2012 by Cobalt-70

[DarkScythe]

I do think there are many anti-christs while there is the True Anti-Christ

[Tepui]

Alma 30.

Definition:

and he was

a

Anti

-Christ, for he began to preach unto the people

b

against

the prophecies which had been spoken by the prophets, concerning the coming of Christ.

[Blah]

So we can start applying the name of "Anti-Christ" to anyone we happen to disagree with now, regardless of how the term is used in the scriptures? Is that the new rule?

I'll be getting some serious mileage out of this one the next time I visit my in-laws.

[mercyngrace]

The anti-Christ is not one person.

Sure he is. He's got an Eastern European accent and will rise to power quickly, assuming all control in the UN and creating one world government, a single humanist religion, and he'll establish a peace in the middle east (temporarily).

Haven't you read Left Behind?

PS You don't really need to worry about it though maidservant. You'll be raptured long before it gets really bad...

Edited April 21, 2012 by mercyngrace

[Stargazer]

Some caller to the Michael Medved show made this argument, and Medved, who can speak Hebrew I understand, stated that this approach holds no water.

For what that is worth.

[asbestosman]

Coincidence?! or a Stretch?

Quite a stretch.

But now that you mention it, what did Jesus really mean when he called James and John Sons of Thunder?

[Blah]

Quite a stretch.

But now that you mention it, what did Jesus really mean when he called James and John Sons of Thunder?

Irritable bowel syndrome. It's not fun.

[asbestosman]

Irritable bowel syndrome. It's not fun.

I think their bowels were moved with compassion, not irritation.

[Duncan]

to quote a mentally challenged brother in my ward who cracks me up every single sunday, "OH PUH-LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZ"!

[Zakuska]

Any questions?