Jaybear Posted March 8, 2012 Posted March 8, 2012 Race being the main factor, it is bigoted and racist.I didn't say race was the main factor. In your haste call me a bigot and a racist, that is your mind filling in the blanks.In fact, the predominantly black neighborhoods were poor and had high crime rates. If religion is the main factor (which this thread is about) then you need to examine your motives and remove the excuses.My motives? I didn't write any of the messages highlighted in the OP. Before you impugn my integrity, you really need to make a better effort at sorting fact from speculation.I suspect that (more often than not) their concerns are driven by the fact that they don't know us. As such, those concerns will evaporate like morning dew in the Western desert once they meet us and deal with us face-to-face..Did you read the responses to the inquires from the non Mormons who live in Utah?
Jeff K. Posted March 8, 2012 Posted March 8, 2012 Given the general tenor of people to Mormons, people who know Mormons like Jaybear, it would appear there is much to be said regarding their lack of transparency in regard to their motivations and focus on "Mormons" with the excuse they really just want more diversity.Somoan Mormons, southern Mormons, Mexican Mormons, European Mormons, they reside in many places in Utah. But diversity being the code word for "non Mormons", we know what is really meant. George Wallace (the politician not the comediean) at one time would have also winked and said "good one".
Jaybear Posted March 8, 2012 Posted March 8, 2012 Given the general tenor of people to Mormons ...... What is general tenor? You have evangelicals who have a deeply held religious belief that Mormon teaching are heretical, and lead people away from Christ.You have exmormons who run the spectrum from indifference to animosity.You have nonmormons who are ignorant and assume that Mormons still practice polygamy. You have gays, who see the LDS Church as ... well you know.Then you have nonmormon who live and work in the Mormon corridor.people who know Mormons like Jaybear, it would appear there is much to be said regarding their lack of transparency in regard to their motivations and focus on "Mormons" with the excuse they really just want more diversityPeople like Jaybear, meaning people who know Mormons yet still choose to live in Utah. As opposed to people like Jeff who know Mormons and choose not to live in Utah.As you have demonstrated a profound inability to respond to what I write, without reading words into my statement, I would not expect you to be proficient at reading what I am thinking.Somoan Mormons, southern Mormons, Mexican Mormons, European Mormons, they reside in many places in Utah. But diversity being the code word for "non Mormons", we know what is really meant. George Wallace (the politician not the comediean) at one time would have also winked and said "good one". In Salt Lake County, I would consider neighborhood religiously diverse even if 1/3 of the neighbors were LDS. So no, I am not using the word "diverse" to mean non-Mormons. BTW, George Wallace didn't use code words. He was a segregationist.
Scott Lloyd Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 Race being the main factor, it is bigoted and racist. If religion is the main factor (which this thread is about) then you need to examine your motives and remove the excuses.The same point was made by this non-Mormon writer who moved to Utah for employment reasons. Prior to the move, he encountered the same stale jokes over and over and wondered, "What’s with all the Mormon-bashing? When did that suddenly become OK?"The article is about a month old, but it's quite relevant to this thread topic, particularly as he describes his experience with Mormons after his move to Salt Lake City.
Scott Lloyd Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 There is a term "Utah Mormon". Not just a Mormon, but one who is from Utah.Actually, the correct term is "Damn Utah Mormon." See my member-title.I went to BYU and lived in Utah for several years and couldn't wait to get out of Utah. Can't explain it, perhaps there are so many social Mormons. I feel more comfortable among members of the church outside Utah.Did anyone require you to show your birth certificate while you were here? That's how we establish our superiority and keep the race pure..
Darth_Bill Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 I went to BYU and I absolutely love the state, but the culture kind of chafes me. That's okay, people are annoyed at me too. My wife can't understand why I want to go back because of my annoyance. I just love the mountains and all. I grew up in Michigan where my horizons were as far as the next tree. The first time I saw a thunderstorm crawl across the valley, I was hooked. BUT, my family has three different races and I've had friends, mormon and non, tell me that I would have a hard time there. Unsolicited advice, mind you.But Utah didn't annoy me as much as Arizona did. I took the first opportunity to get out of there. I now reside in the People's Republic of Illinois. Getting the wanderlust.
Jaybear Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 The same point was made by this non-Mormon writer who moved to Utah for employment reasons. Prior to the move, he encountered the same stale jokes over and over and wondered, "What’s with all the Mormon-bashing? When did that suddenly become OK?"The article is about a month old, but it's quite relevant to this thread topic, particularly as he describes his experience with Mormons after his move to Salt Lake City.The relevant part being his move to Salt Lake City. More specifically..."We live in a fourplex occupied exclusively by graduate students or hospital employees near the University of Utah." SLC East bench Mormons are great neighbors.
Kenngo1969 Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 There is a term "Utah Mormon". Not just a Mormon, but one who is from Utah.I went to BYU and lived in Utah for several years and couldn't wait to get out of Utah. Can't explain it, perhaps there are so many social Mormons. I feel more comfortable among members of the church outside Utah.One footnote, when I visited a ward in southern Utah, they called each other Mr. and Mrs. rather than brother and sister. Strange.I'll ... leave ... it ... alone; I'll ... leave ... it ... alone!
thesometimesaint Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 Jaybear:With the exception of two years at BYU I've lived in diverse communities all my life. But I would never believe, let alone say, that a community's racial, ethnic, or religious makeup has had anything to do with my decisions on where to live. Over 20 years ago I was choosing a new place to live. One was where I was at, or I could move 5 miles up the road. I could buy a house in either location. The former house was 1/3 more expensive than the later. Guess which one I chose.
Scott Lloyd Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 I'll ... leave ... it ... alone; I'll ... leave ... it ... alone! I've already twitted him for it.I think Stan tempted me. Blame it on Stan.
Deborah Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 I went to BYU and lived in Utah for several years and couldn't wait to get out of Utah.I graduated from BYU moved back east but ended up back in Utah and then back to California. I swore I'd never live in Utah again. I ended up in Nebraska and lived there for many years and had several friends who swore they'd never live in Utah again. Guess where we all ended up? Back in Utah, but my two sons and 9 grandkids are here too.I do think there has been a big change in the makeup of Utah since I lived here some 30 years ago. There are many people from out of state, both LDS and non-LDS, which has diluted and diversified the Utah Mormon poplulation. I love it here now and am happy to be surrounded by mountains and temples.
thesometimesaint Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 Deborah:My grandkids are all here. That's a big reason I stay here, and I not all that thrilled about icey cold weather. However I look out my front window into 10,000 ft + mountains, and am 9 miles from the Temple. Plus I'm about 90 miles from the desert, and 100 miles from the ocean.
Jeff K. Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 True. I can be in the San Jacinto Mountains in about an hour and a half or on the beach in about 15 minutes. Temple was about 9 miles for me too. But traffic is murderous during rush hour.
thesometimesaint Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 Jeff K.:Rush hour is no fun, but not that bad out where I live. Being retired has an advantage in that I can avoid it if I want to. I used to commute to Orange County; 3 hours one way. Now that was brutal on man and machine.
Scott Lloyd Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 (edited) I do think there has been a big change in the makeup of Utah since I lived here some 30 years ago. There are many people from out of state, both LDS and non-LDS, which has diluted and diversified the Utah Mormon poplulation.Yes, insularity is so difficult to sustain these days It's getting so we Damn Utah Mormons scarcely know at whom we may look down our noses. Edited March 10, 2012 by Scott Lloyd
Damien the Leper Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 A non-LDS friend lives in West Jordan. Whenever the missionaries happen by their home they invite them in for either a snack or a meal. Since they are atheists, they make the request that the missionaries not proselyte in their home. In fact, religion isn't to be talked about so as to avoid any issues.
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