Calm Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 (edited) I just checked out my window and the sky is grey while the grass is taking on a distinctive brown tint.You still have the consistency of smug Atheists to lean on.No fair! I was going to say this. Cheater.....My daughter was making a comment a day or so ago on just how wrong is the fact of it being spring and then summer down under right now. Edited November 16, 2011 by calmoriah 1
jskains Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 IOW, you are not even trying to discuss anything in good faith.Here are three absolute truisms:The sky is blue.The grass is green.Atheists use "magic" as a term of ridicule against religious believers as a dishonest polemical trick.And besides all that, you've created a false and irrelevant dichotomy. Religious believers "believe in the natural and science" as well as in God. OTOH, I've seen professed (heh heh) "rationalists" blowing on dice, wearing their "lucky" shoes when sitting exams and displaying astrological symbols. Your "contrast" is an invented contrast between essentially nonexistent categories of people.Regards,PahoranI like it most when athiests say Goodbye.JMS
thesometimesaint Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 jskains:There only two types of people in this world. People you're glad to see come, and people you're glad to see go.
altersteve Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Altersteve,Well, seeing as how you made it an official CFR, I suppose I have no choice. So I will go back and have a look at your statements regarding the Book of Abraham and then provide a response.Still waiting, Mariner.
HeatherAnn Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 jskains:There only two types of people in this world. People you're glad to see come, and people you're glad to see go. "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you...For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?" -Matt 5:44, 46
Brant Gardner Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 (edited) There only two types of people in this world. People you're glad to see come, and people you're glad to see go. Sometimes this gets all mashed up together. I have two grandchildren who live locally and for whom we sometimes will babysit for an entire day. I really love to see them come. I also really love to see them go! Edited November 20, 2011 by Brant Gardner
Mariner Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Still waiting, Mariner.Then you must have missed it. Please see Posts # 91 and # 92.
thesometimesaint Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 HeatherAnn:I said nothing about doing anything to either. As much as I love my wife, there are still times when I want to be left alone with a good book.
CQUIRK Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you...Anti-Mormons break this rule on a constant basis.
diglot Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 (edited) Anti-Mormons break this rule on a constant basis.I would say that everyone breaks that rule regularly. It isn't something unique to those evil "anti-Mormons". Edited November 20, 2011 by diglot
Pahoran Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 I would say that everyone breaks that rule regularly. It isn't something unique to those evil "anti-Mormons".In case you might be wondering why anti-Mormons regularly (and vehemently) deny their ideology, the answer is found in 2 Nephi 28:22.Regards,Pahoran 1
HeatherAnn Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 (edited) Anti-Mormons break this rule on a constant basis.Yeah... Anti-Mormons are the only one's who sin. Edited November 20, 2011 by HeatherAnn
Pahoran Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 Yeah... Anti-Mormons are the only one's who sin.No, anti-Mormons are not the only ones who sin; nor has anyone claimed or implied that they are. But it happens that, in this forum, anti-Mormons are frequently found complaining loudly about others doing unto them what they are doing unto others.Regards,Pahoran 1
HeatherAnn Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) In case you might be wondering why anti-Mormons regularly (and vehemently) deny their ideology, the answer is found in 2 Nephi 28:22.Regards,PahoranI agree to an extent.There are countless reasons why people oppose the church.Some who actively oppose the church & seem to know nothing about the church - baffle me.Yet, I can understand those who have been members, have devoted so much of their lives to the church... & then discover inconsistencies... & sometimes flat out lies & cover-ups. What a let down!But you know what's ironic? GAs & others who preach, "The church/BofM is either true or it isn't!" are creating a no win situation.We are encouraged to seek TRUTH... gospel=good news.If the church must be TRUE of FALSE - then what happens when you discover something troubling?Some conclude (based on GAs teachings) that it must all be false then.Someone's either "anti-mormon" or not? Do you agree with everything ever said/done with the church... or are you anti to some that, to you is evil? (ie historically: denial of priesthood to some men based on skin color, polygamy abuses, church not paying funds back, More currently: church hiding finances)Things are never black or white.I go to church each Sunday (& sometimes mid-week)... I have callings. I choose to raise my children with the church - & I see many beautiful, inspiring aspects of being involved in it. Yet, I don't believe much of the doctrine. Infact, I believe Christianity to be twisted so much (starting with Constatine) - for political power & I see it still in many translations of scriptures - fear & shame. It's no wonder that Judaism & Christianity are considered the root cause of mental illness & that Utah leads the nation in anti-depressent use. In no other place in the world, is the church not only church... but CULTURE, like it is in Utah.Going back to your scripture in 2Nephi 28:22... which talks about the denial of hell & devil.Hell is self-created mostly - based on how we think/interpret, feel & then behave... & how we think & so on.Denial of hell is trying to take anti-depressants instead of confronting the source of the pain/depression.Denial of the devil is denying the struggles we endure & putting on a happy/fake face - like I see too often at church.Some even argue that religion serves as a type of "opium" - or escape from the hell they think/feel/endure.Personally, I think religion has potential to be UPlifting, not depressing... IF we interpret teachings in productive ways...If we learn to love others AND love ourselves.It's not "either love other OR love yourself" - the greatest (top priority) commandments are to love BOTH others & ourselves.How?By hope & faith... Love is hoping & striving for what is best through trial & error (faith).It takes both reason & spirit - to learn in each moment - what to do & for who (others or ourselve) & when - to do God's will. Edited November 21, 2011 by HeatherAnn
volgadon Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 Denial of hell is trying to take anti-depressants instead of confronting the source of the pain/depression.Denial of the devil is denying the struggles we endure & putting on a happy/fake face - like I see too often at church.Denial of both also takes the form of radical spiritualisation. I also find your judgement of tohers here to beextremely torubling given your constant preaching of love. 2
Scott Lloyd Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) In case you might be wondering why anti-Mormons regularly (and vehemently) deny their ideology, the answer is found in 2 Nephi 28:22.Regards,PahoranI note that elsewhere, diglot has said that the term anti-Mormon is a slur. To regard it as a slur, the anti-Mormon must believe his own or others' opposition to Mormonism is something dishonorable. Otherwise, why not own the term, as did the mob in Hancock County, Ill., in 1841, who took it as the formal name of their political party? Edited November 21, 2011 by Scott Lloyd 1
diglot Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) I note that elsewhere, diglot has said that the term anti-Mormon is a slur. To regard it as a slur, the anti-Mormon must believe his own or others' opposition to Mormonism is something dishonorable. Otherwise, why not own the term, as did the mob in Hancock County, Ill., in 1841, who took it as the formal name of their political party?I say that "anti-Mormon" is a slur because it is a term of disparagement (which is what a slur is). It is just silly rhetoric which has one purpose: to villify someone. It also seems to be used by some in regards to *anyone* who disagrees with the LDS Church.Some people may like throwing the term around as a way of coping with people disagreeing with them, but it just seems silly to me. Edited November 21, 2011 by diglot
ERayR Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 I say that "anti-Mormon" is a slur because it is a term of disparagement (which is what a slur is). It is just silly rhetoric which has one purpose: to villify someone. It also seems to be used by some in regards to *anyone* who disagrees with the LDS Church.And the rhetoric anti-mormons throw around is for what purpose?
Scott Lloyd Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) I say that "anti-Mormon" is a slur because it is a term of disparagement (which is what a slur is). It is just silly rhetoric which has one purpose: to villify someone.Whether one thinks it a term of disparagement or not, it accurately denotes someone who opposes The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.anti- = againstGet it?It also seems to be used by some in regards to *anyone* who disagrees with the LDS Church.Some people may like throwing the term around as a way of coping with people disagreeing with them, but it just seems silly to me.I rarely, if ever, see it applied to someone who merely disagrees with Mormonism. To disagree with and to oppose are two different things. I disagree with the London Flat Earth Society. But I do not oppose them. I am, in fact, indifferent to them.When the term is applied at all, I virtually always see it applied to someone who, by his or her own behavior, has earned it.(See my sig line on this topic, the portion in green type.) Edited November 21, 2011 by Scott Lloyd
diglot Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) And the rhetoric anti-mormons throw around is for what purpose?I can't say I've seen non-Mormons here use any term of disparagement to label those who disagree with them. Though on othe forums I've seen the slur "mopologists" frequently in reference to Mormon apologists.Regardless, I really feel like throwing labels like that around (no matter which side they come from) just simply doesn't contribute to a discussion, and in fact only serves to impede it. Edited November 21, 2011 by diglot
Scott Lloyd Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) I can't say I've seen non-Mormons here use any term of disparagement to label those who disagree with them.I have not conceded that someone who opposes Mormonism has standing to regard anti-Mormon as a term of disparagement. (See my sig line.)Regardless, I really feel like throwing labels like that around (no matter which side they come from) just simply doesn't contribute to a discussion, and in fact only serves to impede it.Anti-Mormons who are rightly characterized as such are not typically interested in discussing so much as in opposing, vilifying, mischaracterizing, caricaturing, etc. Anti-Mormon might be regarded as a shorthand way of observing that they are engaged in doing those things. Edited November 21, 2011 by Scott Lloyd
KevinG Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) I can't say I've seen non-Mormons here use any term of disparagement to label those who disagree with them. Though on othe forums I've seen the slur "mopologists" frequently in reference to Mormon apologists.Regardless, I really feel like throwing labels like that around (no matter which side they come from) just simply doesn't contribute to a discussion, and in fact only serves to impede it.Sometimes context is important... A few I have experienced.Apologist (when used as a label to disregard anything the person says - Xander is good at this)TBM or True Believing Mormon used as a synonym for those with blind faithReligionistUnscientific or IllogicalTypical MormonAverage Mormonand the more colorfulIgnorantDeceivedDishonestSheepNothing that other Christians or believers haven't experienced, but the subtle and non-subtle insults are there.I agree that insults don't help conversations. They are tempting sometimes when someone is engaged in blatently anti-Mormon or trolling behavior. Edited November 21, 2011 by DaddyG
Storm Rider Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 If the shoe fits, wear it and do so with pride. If you are not proud of the term, then hopefully one will find a new shoe to wear by changing the outlandish size of their puffed up feet. 1
diglot Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) I have not conceded that someone who opposes Mormonism has standing to regard anti-Mormon as a term of disparagement.Well, if you want to call those who oppose Mormonism an anti-Mormon, thats your prerogative.I've been called anti-Mormon before, and all it does is automatically shut down any chance of engaging in further fruitful discussion. Also, "anti" (to me at least) clearly carries a pejorative sense. Edited November 21, 2011 by diglot
KevinG Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 I would not categorize you as an anti-Mormon Digalot. You are not in active opposition to my faith.For me that is the line - and if someone is in actual opposition I don't find anti- to be too strong a prefix.
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