The Shortened Days Of The End Times

[thesometimesaint]

Jo1952:

The ideas of some people prove evolution hasn't happened.

[shalamabobbi]

Here is a list of major players in scripture and the faith that they held.

Hebrews 11

¹Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

²For by it the elders obtained a good report.

³Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

⁴By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

⁵By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

⁶But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

⁷By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

⁸By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

⁹By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

¹⁰For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

¹¹Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.

¹²Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

¹³These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

¹⁴For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.

¹⁵And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.

¹⁶But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

¹⁷By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

¹⁸Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

¹⁹Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

²⁰By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.

²¹By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.

²²By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.

²³By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.

²⁴By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;

²⁵Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;

²⁶Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.

²⁷By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.

²⁸Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.

²⁹By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.

³⁰By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.

³¹By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.

³²And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:

³³Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.

³⁴Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.

³⁵Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

³⁶And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:

³⁷They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;

³⁸(Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.

³⁹And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

⁴⁰God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

I fail to see in here where God says faith in the knowledge of man will give you a good report. I would also point out that it says things made were made by the Word of God. I would also point out that it says that the things made were not made by things that do appear.

The shortened days in the Tribulation period are going to happen. Exactly what that is we sure don't know. For those who do experience the events I am sure that if they know scripture then they will praise God when the events happen. For all others I am sure they will assign any number of natural causes to the events. Man does have the ability to find causes for things even if they are in error.

Wow, the false dichotomy runs deep with you doesn't it? Actually my faith is in the restoration not my education except perhaps also in my ability to succeed in it. All that scripture reading and still no balance.

Have you never read Acts 7:22? Was that something Moses had to repent of? Or was it part of the foundation that prepared him to be useful for something greater? Or was it a useless false dichotomy?

And Nephi was taught in all the learning of his father. More useless knowledge or was the scripture the world to which Lehi confined his study?

And now that you have more scripture to read you will eventually make your way to the Doctrine and Covenants where we are commanded to learn from books, to seek learning and wisdom.

I fail to see in here where God says faith in the knowledge of man will give you a good report.

Actually just a good report card.

And since the knowledge of man is verifiable you don't have to exercise much faith, you just learn it and use it. Maybe some day you will need it to get out of a predicament and call upon God instead to deliver you by faith, but He will ignore you because of your slothfulness in failing to do what you were capable of doing for yourself.

Exactly what that is we sure don't know.

Wow. Why all the fuss then? And how does reading about it and stressing over it prepare you in any way? Maybe you are running lab experiments in a shed in your backyard to discover which type of garden vegetables can survive under those conditions. That way you can laugh at your starving neighbors who are unprepared??

[IloveaMormon]

"...but He will ignore you because of your slothfulness in failing to do what you were capable of doing for yourself."

My loving Heavenly Father will never turn his back on any of His Children. Ever. Loving fathers don't do that.

God The Creator will not turn his back on even his most ungrateful and judgmental children. This brother is righteous but mistaken if he believes condemning and shaming his brothers and sisters pleases God.

[Calm]

Anyone else thinking of "the big flood" joke? The one with the man in a flood on a roof having 'pure faith' in the Lord?

[Franktalk]

Have you never read Acts 7:22? Was that something Moses had to repent of? Or was it part of the foundation that prepared him to be useful for something greater? Or was it a useless false dichotomy?

Act 7:22 And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds.

So what Egyptian wisdom was used by Moses? Let us see what Moses said:

Lev 18:3 After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.

Moses knew of Egyptian wisdom but did not use it. Why should he, he was walking in the knowledge of the Lord. If Egypt was so wise why did they not know that the Lord fought for Israel?

And since the knowledge of man is verifiable you don't have to exercise much faith, you just learn it and use it. Maybe some day you will need it to get out of a predicament and call upon God instead to deliver you by faith, but He will ignore you because of your slothfulness in failing to do what you were capable of doing for yourself.

Much of the "knowledge" of man is not verifiable. Projections back in time can not be verified.

Wow. Why all the fuss then? And how does reading about it and stressing over it prepare you in any way? Maybe you are running lab experiments in a shed in your backyard to discover which type of garden vegetables can survive under those conditions. That way you can laugh at your starving neighbors who are unprepared??

Why would I laugh at starving neighbors?

[volgadon]

Shhh! Don't mention the Instructions of Amenemope or the Hymn to Aten....

[shalamabobbi]

This brother is ... mistaken if he believes condemning and shaming his brothers and sisters pleases God.

How much love do I have for a brother if I don't try to elevate him out of a dark place? I think you may be misperceiving someone's motivations..

[shalamabobbi]

Act 7:22 And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds.

So what Egyptian wisdom was used by Moses? Let us see what Moses said:

Lev 18:3 After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.

Moses knew of Egyptian wisdom but did not use it. Why should he, he was walking in the knowledge of the Lord. If Egypt was so wise why did they not know that the Lord fought for Israel?

Much of the "knowledge" of man is not verifiable. Projections back in time can not be verified.

Why would I laugh at starving neighbors?

We have some ship building skills and structural understanding. Of no more use to Moses than it is to you apparently. You may as well have been born in that day and age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_technology

Much of the "knowledge" of man is not verifiable. Projections back in time can not be verified.

Keep telling yourself that. Line spectra from distant stars verify the current laws of physics were the same then as now.

You seem to worship the God of might. His laws might operate this way today and that way tomorrow..

[Nemesis]

This thread has run its course.

Nemesis