Where Does Satan Come From?

[Duncan]

I,the illustrious me, and some other members of my ward were bombarded by emails recently from a duo of inactive members of the ward, among others things. I answered one or two and then asked them a litany of questions none of which were answered. The claim was that Jesus and Satan were or are brothers (I have been attending Church for over 30 years now, never ONCE heard anything like that) but where do other faiths think or believe that Satan came from? Is he from some other world, some mystical evil force, some human gone terribly bad or what is the story?

[alter idem]

I,the illustrious me, and some other members of my ward were bombarded by emails recently from a duo of inactive members of the ward, among others things. I answered one or two and then asked them a litany of questions none of which were answered. The claim was that Jesus and Satan were or are brothers (I have been attending Church for over 30 years now, never ONCE heard anything like that) but where do other faiths think or believe that Satan came from? Is he from some other world, some mystical evil force, some human gone terribly bad or what is the story?

I don't know what other religions believe--I'm not sure they all believe that we are God's children.

It may be some other religions only view us as God's creations. I would assume that they don't know where Satan came from--or they believe that God created him. I guess you'd have to ask them.

As for LDS beliefs,

Here are some scriptural references for you:

Moses 4:1-4

Isaiah 14:12 (2 Nephi 24:12)

D&C 76:26

You can find more--look in your concordance under Satan, devil etc.

LDS believe that we are all God's children--which would mean that Satan was his son also--he had so much promise he was known as 'The Son of the Morning' even stepping forward to offer to save us and take the glory to himself at the council in Heaven--before he rebelled against God and was cast out, along with the 1/3 of God's children who followed him and who we recognize as disembodied evil spirits. So, can you see how Satan is, technically, Jesus' brother and our brother as well?--and those 1/3 who followed him..they were once our brothers and sisters also. This isn't a subject that is discussed from this angle very often so I'm not surprised you might not have considered this.

I'd never thought of it in these terms until I heard Mike Huckabee mention it as if it was somehow blasphemous to even consider.

[BCSpace]

The claim was that Jesus and Satan were or are brothers (I have been attending Church for over 30 years now, never ONCE heard anything like that)

It's very suprising to me that you haven't heard it. Official LDS doctrine is that Jesus and Satan are literal spirit children of God just like are are. So we, Jesus, Satan, the angels, and the devils are all literal brothers and sisters. Satan (referred to as Lucifer before he was cast out) rebelled and drew away one third of our relatives and they were all cast out.

Devil

See also Antichrist; Destroyer; h***; Lucifer; Sons of Perdition; Spirit—Evil spirits.

Satan. The devil is the enemy of righteousness and of those who seek to do the will of God. He is literally a spirit son of God and was at one time an angel in authority in the presence of God (Isa. 14:12; 2 Ne. 2:17). However, he rebelled in the premortal life and persuaded a third part of the spirit children of the Father to rebel with him (D&C 29:36; Moses 4:1–4; Abr. 3:27–28). They were cast out of heaven, were denied the opportunity of obtaining mortal bodies and experiencing mortal life, and will be eternally damned. Since the time the devil was cast out of heaven, he has sought constantly to deceive all men and women and lead them away from the work of God in order to make all mankind as miserable as he is (Rev. 12:9; 2 Ne. 2:27; 9:8–9).

Guide To The Scriptures - Devil

[Mike Richards]

I have a friend who believes God created Satan, but that in just the same way that he created animals and dirt and we aren't related to them, so are we not related to Satan (and neither is Jesus). This friend believes that God is all-powerful in the sense that God is the only one with any power whatsoever, and is the creator (from nothing) of everything that exits. He believes that even though God created Satan and is actually working through Satan, God is not responsible for evil. He's not sure how all that works out: "It's a mystery." But, it's what he believes. There's one answer for you.

[Duncan]

It's very suprising to me that you haven't heard it. Official LDS doctrine is that Jesus and Satan are literal spirit children of God just like are are. So we, Jesus, Satan, the angels, and the devils are all literal brothers and sisters. Satan (referred to as Lucifer before he was cast out) rebelled and drew away one third of our relatives and they were all cast out.

for the record, not hearing it at Church, I have heard but from evangelicals or other groups

[Fig-bearing Thistle]

I,the illustrious me, and some other members of my ward were bombarded by emails recently from a duo of inactive members of the ward, among others things. I answered one or two and then asked them a litany of questions none of which were answered. The claim was that Jesus and Satan were or are brothers (I have been attending Church for over 30 years now, never ONCE heard anything like that) but where do other faiths think or believe that Satan came from? Is he from some other world, some mystical evil force, some human gone terribly bad or what is the story?

Because LDS doctrines reveal so much more than orthodox Christianity accepts today as true, we are subject to ridicule and mockery from those who have much less than we have.

Most orthodox critics I have tangled with, would say that satan is a created being. An angel. A fallen angel. We all are created beings, they would say--conjured and created ex-nihilo (from nothing) and for God's good will and pleasure. They would say that evil did not exist until satan conceived of it, and now it exists.

Somehow, this makes satan an unexpected "surprise" for God, although they would deny this. But then that makes evil ultimately God's invention. So they are stuck, not being able to accept that Evil Just IS.

Edited July 9, 2011 by Fig-bearing Thistle

[alter idem]

Another Scripture to add that tells us Satan was once our Brother (and if he was our brother, he was Jesus' brother also).

After Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden of Eden, they taught their children the Gospel and then...

Moses 5:13 'And Satan came among them saying: I am also a Son of God;...'

Satan was not lying when he told them this. We only need remember the Council in Heaven where ALL of God's children were present and we were presented with the Plan of Salvation.

Moses 3:27 'And the Lord said: Whom shall I send? And one answered like unto the Son of Man: Here am I, send me. And another answered and said: Here am I, send me. And the Lord said: I will send the first.

28 And the second was angry, and kept not his first estate; and at the day, many followed after him.

We also believe in the gift of agency; the ability to choose between the two opposing forces in the Universe--symbolized by light and dark and explained in the Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi chapter 2. Our Father in Heaven granted us all this gift and we used it in the premortal world--Satan was 'angry' as the scripture says and rebelled against God--and light, he cleaved to the opposing forces and he gathered others to him. He became Satan and in that sense, he's no longer our 'brother', but he was once.

This doctrine--that we are all Sons and Daughters of God, offends other religions just like our doctrine that since we are his children, we also are his heirs--we are Gods in Embryo--we can one day become like our Father in Heaven--Gods and Goddesses.

When you understand our doctrine, it makes sense--more sense to me than to believe that God, who is all Love, light, righteousness etc. could have 'created' evil--To me, this is illogical. I believe evil comes from cleaving to the dark/opposing forces in the Universe and rebelling against light/goodness/love. Satan, through the exercise of his agency and using his gifts, talents, etc. in his quest for power to overthrow God is responsible for what he has become--the being we call Satan, Lucifer, the Devil.

God's children were all good at one time--but he granted us the ability to choose and then, well, we can see the outcome of this all around us. It is part of the plan and was necessary for us to continue in our quest to become like God.

[Deborah]

Satan may have been Lucifer, a Son of the Morning, but when he rebelled he was cast down and essentially disinherited. So technically he would no longer be considered a son or brother.

But I too am surprised someone in the church never heard of this. I do find it strange that people have a hard time with the idea. Even in mortality we may have siblings that we don't want anything to do with. The fact that they may be evil doesn't make us evil and it demonstrates the Agency that God gave us. I don't see how saying we have a fallen brother is worse than saying God created an evil Being.

[awh204]

I,the illustrious me, and some other members of my ward were bombarded by emails recently from a duo of inactive members of the ward, among others things. I answered one or two and then asked them a litany of questions none of which were answered. The claim was that Jesus and Satan were or are brothers (I have been attending Church for over 30 years now, never ONCE heard anything like that) but where do other faiths think or believe that Satan came from? Is he from some other world, some mystical evil force, some human gone terribly bad or what is the story?

To be fair, if the בני אלהים of Job are associated with humans, as in LDS thought (cf. Psalm 82, John 10), and Satan presented himself among the "sons of God", then Satan would have been one of those "sons of God" and thus, technically, the brother of pre-mortal humanity.

[Duncan]

Satan may have been Lucifer, a Son of the Morning, but when he rebelled he was cast down and essentially disinherited. So technically he would no longer be considered a son or brother.

But I too am surprised someone in the church never heard of this. I do find it strange that people have a hard time with the idea. Even in mortality we may have siblings that we don't want anything to do with. The fact that they may be evil doesn't make us evil and it demonstrates the Agency that God gave us. I don't see how saying we have a fallen brother is worse than saying God created an evil Being.

Thank you! I am very aware of the idea but from other sources, I just hadn't ever heard it at Church and I am not sure why I would have. I don't have a tough time understanding it but some others like the pair in question seem to

[Deborah]

Thank you! I am very aware of the idea but from other sources, I just hadn't ever heard it at Church and I am not sure why I would have.

I agree. It's something that is just assumed I think so we don't really talk about it. I don't know that I ever heard any emphasis on Satan being the brother of Christ but we do talk about Christ being our elder brother and if Satan is our brother then it's logical that he is also Christ's brother, or at least used to be before he was cast out.

[Calm]

Satan and his relationship to us as one of the spirit children of God the Father is most often discussed in the context of the Plan of Salvation, but it is rare in my experience (and it has not happened at church where I assume most if not understand the concept of God's family to begin with) for that relationship to be described in the specific terms of "Jesus AND Satan were our brothers in heaven" or "Lucifer was Jesus' brother". Instead, the focus is on Jesus being our eldest brother and chosen saviour and Satan or rather Lucifer (it's the usual name given in the lessons for the pre-existence "Satan") playing the role of attempted usurper as opposed to someone with true brotherly feelings towards us even when the manual specifically says that Lucifer was also a spirit child of God the Father or that he was another brother of us. See for example the Gospel Principles manual: http://lds.org/manua...savior?lang=eng

Also in Primary: http://lds.org/manua...savior?lang=eng

and

http://lds.org/manua...savior?lang=eng

http://lds.org/manua...christ?lang=eng

http://lds.org/manua...s-plan?lang=eng

This is the only lds.org reference, I believe, where Satan/Lucifer is specified as Jesus' brother:

http://lds.org/manua...NEAR/10+lucifer

Edited July 9, 2011 by calmoriah

[Questing Beast]

...

When you understand our doctrine, it makes sense--more sense to me than to believe that God, who is all Love, light, righteousness etc. could have 'created' evil--To me, this is illogical. I believe evil comes from cleaving to the dark/opposing forces in the Universe and rebelling against light/goodness/love.

...

And where does this "dark/opposing forces in the Universe" come from if not from "God"? Without "God" nothing can exist. Nothing exists separate from or independent of "God". To assert otherwise is the same as saying that something can exist without being caused by the Necessary Cause: that opposite forces to "God" exist independently, thus effectively being TWO or more causes or gods within their own realms. This of course flies in the face of scripture everywhere you turn. For the scriptures say that God says he is the only One. He either knows of what he speaks and speaks the truth or he is guilty of hubris and he lies. You choose which it is to believe.

Or, you can assume that "God" and all gods are the product of homo sapiens imagination, and inbred need to explain everything. In which case, Satan (by any other name) is a figure to illustrate the inescapable existence of opposition in all things; beginning especially within each of us. We have quite enough "devils" in the details of free will. We don't require any more waging outside war with us, thank you....

[Fig-bearing Thistle]

And where does this "dark/opposing forces in the Universe" come from if not from "God"? Without "God" nothing can exist. Nothing exists separate from or independent of "God".

This would imply that God is continually sustaining, supporting, and propping up satan all the time. Keeping him going. Nourishing him so he does not otherwise die.

What do you think it means, in John 15:1, 4-6

1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

4Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Would you say satan is attached to the true vine, or cut off from the vine?

To assert otherwise is the same as saying that something can exist without being caused by the Necessary Cause: that opposite forces to "God" exist independently, thus effectively being TWO or more causes or gods within their own realms. This of course flies in the face of scripture everywhere you turn. For the scriptures say that God says he is the only One. He either knows of what he speaks and speaks the truth or he is guilty of hubris and he lies. You choose which it is to believe.

Let's approach it from your paradigm: From your understanding, can God cause something to be immortal? Meaning that it cannot be killed, obliterated, or annihilated, and can function on its own?

What would you say? Yes or No?

Edited July 9, 2011 by Fig-bearing Thistle

[alter idem]

And where does this "dark/opposing forces in the Universe" come from if not from "God"? Without "God" nothing can exist. Nothing exists separate from or independent of "God". To assert otherwise is the same as saying that something can exist without being caused by the Necessary Cause: that opposite forces to "God" exist independently, thus effectively being TWO or more causes or gods within their own realms. This of course flies in the face of scripture everywhere you turn. For the scriptures say that God says he is the only One. He either knows of what he speaks and speaks the truth or he is guilty of hubris and he lies. You choose which it is to believe.

You are thinking within the framework of other Christian religious traditions--which are different from LDS.

Or, you can assume that "God" and all gods are the product of homo sapiens imagination, and inbred need to explain everything. In which case, Satan (by any other name) is a figure to illustrate the inescapable existence of opposition in all things; beginning especially within each of us. We have quite enough "devils" in the details of free will. We don't require any more waging outside war with us, thank you....

You are free to believe that it all comes from our minds and I am free to believe you are incorrect.

I used scripture to explain the church position on this and you can read them to understand why we come to the conclusion that we do. There are things that I understand we cannot comprehend with finite, limited mortal brains--I do not expect to understand all things of the Universe while I am in a mortal state and I also would be foolish to think we can attain all knowledge and understanding of the things of God. I know what scriptures teach--they reveal many things about God, but not all--especially not the things that are beyond our ability to comprehend at this time.

[zerinus]

It's very suprising to me that you haven't heard it. Official LDS doctrine is that Jesus and Satan are literal spirit children of God just like are are. So we, Jesus, Satan, the angels, and the devils are all literal brothers and sisters. Satan (referred to as Lucifer before he was cast out) rebelled and drew away one third of our relatives and they were all cast out.

Is Jesus the brother of Satan? I think not!

Spiritually speaking, we become “brothers and sisters” and “sons and daughters” to those whom we follow and choose to obey. For example, the Jews believed (quite rightly) that they were the “children of Abraham”. But Jesus told those Jews who were plotting to kill Him, that if Abraham was their father (as they protested he was), they would do the works of Abraham; but now in fact Satan was their father, because they were following Satan and doing his works:

John 8

:

39 They answered and said unto him,

Abraham is our father

. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would

do the works of Abraham

.

40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

41 Ye do the

deeds of your father

. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

42 Jesus said unto them,

If God were your Father, ye would love me:

for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of

your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do

. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. . . .

Similarly, He told those who came to look for him on behalf of His mother and brothers, who had become anxious for His safety, that His mother, and brother, and sister, were those who did the will of His Father which is in heaven:

Matthew 12

:

46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.

47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

50 For

whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother

.

Thus, in answer to the question, “Is Jesus the brother of Satan?” The answer is definitely, “No!” Since Satan has rebelled against God, and been cast out of heaven and become lost forever, he is not the “brother” of anybody except the evil spirits which followed him, and those who will follow him hereafter. Jesus is a “brother” only to those who do the will of His Father which is in heaven. Satan does no such thing; it therefore follows that he and his followers are no “brother of Jesus”. They are the brother of nobody except the evil spirits who followed Satan, or who will follow him hereafter.

I am an orthodox believing Mormon, a TBM, and I strongly object to the assertion that “Jesus is the brother of Satan”. I don’t believe He is any such thing.

Edited July 9, 2011 by zerinus

[alter idem]

I am an orthodox believing Mormon, a TBM, and I strongly object to the assertion that “Jesus is the brother of Satan”. I don’t believe He is any such thing.

I don't think you're going to have much argument from LDS with the scriptures you cite and the concept that we spiritually become the sons and daughters of God/Christ when we do their will and follow the Savior--but we're talking about whether there is some truth to the question which was raised.

Did you read any of the other posts and the explanations others have given? If you had, I'd think you'd understand what BCspace was saying.

Do you believe that Lucifer was 'the son of the Morning' and a son of God when he stepped forward to offer to save us all during the Council in Heaven during our Pre-mortal life?

Do you acknowledge that Satan was at one time, a son of God and a brother to us and therefore a brother to Jesus as well?

I agree that he is not now a brother to Jesus--he and his followers rejected God and Christ and they have become the Devil and his angels.

However, if you do not believe that he was once a brother, then who do you think Lucifer was?

I'm not sure anyone can claim to be orthodox LDS if they don't believe Lucifer was once a son of god, as he pointed out to Adam and Eve's children when he came among them to tempt them away from true gospel teachings. I think that's scriptural and accepted LDS belief.

[altersteve]

Since the Father created both Jesus and Satan, they are technically "brothers," although in a very loose sense that really doesn't mean anything except that they have the same Father. However, since we have the agency to not be sealed to our families here on earth, then Satan has that same freedom. He chose not to be sealed to the rest of us by choosing to rebel against God (and thereby rejecting Him as his Father), but he would still be our "brother" and God's "son" in the loosest sense of the word. But since there are no real family ties between us and him, we are not truly related to him in any way, nor is Christ related to him.

[zerinus]

I don't think you're going to have much argument from LDS with the scriptures you cite and the concept that we spiritually become the sons and daughters of God/Christ when we do their will and follow the Savior--but we're talking about whether there is some truth to the question which was raised.

Did you read any of the other posts and the explanations others have given? If you had, I'd think you'd understand what BCspace was saying.

Do you believe that Lucifer was 'the son of the Morning' and a son of God when he stepped forward to offer to save us all during the Council in Heaven during our Pre-mortal life?

Do you acknowledge that Satan was at one time, a son of God and a brother to us and therefore a brother to Jesus as well?

I agree that he is not now a brother to Jesus--he and his followers rejected God and Christ and they have become the Devil and his angels.

However, if you do not believe that he was once a brother, then who do you think Lucifer was?

I'm not sure anyone can claim to be orthodox LDS if they don't believe Lucifer was once a son of god, as he pointed out to Adam and Eve's children when he came among them to tempt them away from true gospel teachings. I think that's scriptural and accepted LDS belief.

I am familiar with the scriptures you and others have cited, and with your arguments; as well as with the scriptures I have cited, and my arguments. The difference is where you like to put the emphasis. The enemies of the Church who accuse us of believing that "Jesus is the brother of Satan" follow the other emphasis because they believe that that is one way of successfully campaigning against Mormonism; and you are playing into their hands by agreeing with them. I prefer to defeat them by placing the emphasis where I have put it, rather than hand them the victory by placing the emphasis where they like to put it.

If you agree that the scriptures I have cited are correct, and the conclusions I have derived from them are valid, why do you think it is preferable to place the emphasis where you like to put it, rather than where I like to put it?

Edited July 9, 2011 by zerinus

[zerinus]

double post

Edited July 9, 2011 by zerinus

[gurn]

Would someone please clarify for me the process of becoming a spirit child using scriptures or statements from general authorities. What was our nature prior to becoming a spirit child? Were we self aware? Did we have agency? Was the process physical or a covenant/adoption relationship?

Why was Jesus vastly superior to all the rest of us (or at least me)? Being brothers would infer that we have much in common, but I just don’t see it.

It bothers me a bit when I hear Jesus Christ called our brother. It may be correct on some level, but it seems disrespectful. He’s my Savior and I prefer to refer to Him as such.

[DH]

Satan comes from Ann Arbor, Michigan.

Go Bucks!

O-H...

[William James]

I,the illustrious me, and some other members of my ward were bombarded by emails recently from a duo of inactive members of the ward, among others things. I answered one or two and then asked them a litany of questions none of which were answered. The claim was that Jesus and Satan were or are brothers (I have been attending Church for over 30 years now, never ONCE heard anything like that) but where do other faiths think or believe that Satan came from? Is he from some other world, some mystical evil force, some human gone terribly bad or what is the story?

Though I am not an expert, it seems to me that the overwhelming majority of non-LDS Christian have little if any explanation for who Satan is or where he came from. I myself am skeptical about whether Satan even exists, and think it is more likely that Satan is man's personification of evil, and the doctrine of Satan has historically been used to create fear sufficient to induce obedience, and also to end discussion about authority and doctrine.

But in any event, whether or not you believe in Satan, it seems to me that the threshold question we should ask, before we ask whether Satan and Jesus are brothers, is, "Why would it matter?" It seems to me that the critics of the LDS belief of Jesus and Satan being brothers (usually evangelical Christians) have two primary concerns: first, because they make no distinction between Jesus (Jehova in LDS terms) and God the Father (a.k.a. Elohim in LDS terms), it is blasphemous to suggest that Jesus could have a brother at all, because such would imply that Jesus had a finite beginning when he was created by parents; second, there tends to be an assumption of "evil by association," in that a familial bond between Jesus and Satan somehow necessarily would imply that Jesus is partly evil or that Satan is partly good, and such a conclusion would contradict fundamental Christian beliefs about Jesus being perfectly good. My own opinion is that it does not matter whether Jesus and Satan (if he exists) are or were brothers. Jesus can still be just and righteous, and Satan can still be evil, just as blood siblings among mortal beings can be like night and day in their differences in character. As for Jesus having a beginning, I don't have a problem with that, either. Traditional Christian doctrine sadly evolved to hold too many absolutes (i.e., omnipresence, omnipotence, omniscience, etc.). Such absolutes create too many problems when we try to think them through. I have decided to settle on much less dogmatic notions of God, and living with a little uncertainty is much more comfortable for me than trying to have all the answers.

[TAO]

Would someone please clarify for me the process of becoming a spirit child using scriptures or statements from general authorities. What was our nature prior to becoming a spirit child? Were we self aware? Did we have agency? Was the process physical or a covenant/adoption relationship?

Why was Jesus vastly superior to all the rest of us (or at least me)? Being brothers would infer that we have much in common, but I just don’t see it.

It bothers me a bit when I hear Jesus Christ called our brother. It may be correct on some level, but it seems disrespectful. He’s my Savior and I prefer to refer to Him as such.

Topical Guide: http://lds.org/scrip...father?lang=eng, http://lds.org/scrip...of-god?lang=eng

Primary New Testament Manual, Chapter 7: http://lds.org/manua...spirit+child%22

Guide to the Scriptures: http://lds.org/scrip...spirit?lang=eng

Quote from Apostle Bruce R McConkie:

“We were born first as the spirit children of God, our Heavenly Father. We lived with him for a time. Our lives did not commence with this mortal existence. This mortal sphere is simply a change of status for the eternal spirit that had lived before in the presence of God, our Heavenly Father. Birth is a change of status. It is a new way of living” (“Households of Faith,” Ensign, Apr. 1971, p. 6).

Source: http://lds.org/manua...spirit+child%22

Quote from President N. Eldon Tanner

In order to be a successful leader or teacher (and I will use these terms interchangeably) in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, it is important that each realizes and understands fully that he is a spirit child of God and that those he is leading are also spirit children of God. It is important also that those whom he is leading know and understand that they are spirit children of God, and know how important that this knowledge is in their lives. They must realize that God is interested in them, wants them to live the way they should, and is ready to answer their prayers and help them wherever possible if they will but listen.

Source: http://lds.org/liaho...spirit+child%22

And there is more here, if you would like: http://lds.org/searc...spirit+child%22

I think the Primary New Testament Manual goes over it really well... I like it =D.

Best Wishes,

TAO

EDIT: As for why he was so much greater than us... it wasn't that he was made so much greater than us... it was that he chose to be so much greater than us... he chose to do the harder things =).

Edited July 10, 2011 by TAO

[Calm]

Do you believe that Lucifer was 'the son of the Morning' and a son of God when he stepped forward to offer to save us all during the Council in Heaven during our Pre-mortal life?

Do you acknowledge that Satan was at one time, a son of God and a brother to us and therefore a brother to Jesus as well?

I agree that he is not now a brother to Jesus--he and his followers rejected God and Christ and they have become the Devil and his angels....

I'm not sure anyone can claim to be orthodox LDS if they don't believe Lucifer was once a son of god, as he pointed out to Adam and Eve's children when he came among them to tempt them away from true gospel teachings. I think that's scriptural and accepted LDS belief.

I think your descriptions here align quite well with how Lucifer is described in the manuals I cited and with President Kimball's labeling of Satan as Christ's "fallen brother" in the last link I posted.

Did not he [Jesus] recognize the danger when he was on the mountain with his fallen brother, Lucifer, being sorely tempted by that master tempter?