elguanteloko Posted July 28, 2010 Author Posted July 28, 2010 Yes it does. To follow your request, the Church would have to print extra copies for the public. Why is that demand fair?JMSAgain, I'll pay double for the price it costs to produce it. Would the Church agree to that?
handys003 Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 This does not answer the 'why?' question...you are still not answering the question.come on, man.It answered the question. i don't think you get it. You do not understand what is asked of the Lord.
elguanteloko Posted July 28, 2010 Author Posted July 28, 2010 Actually if you google it on the internet. You will find that the CHOI has been blocked from being published on line by the Church. Several ex-Mormons tried to do such and were served with legal action. The church deems the CHOI as sacred and not viewable to the public. It has nothing to do with publication costs.and you continue to not answer the question...Don't get me wrong, I can find it on the internet anyways but my question is, why to keep it from people like that?
Benjamin McGuire Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 elguanteloko, why don't you provide some examples for us of other organizations with similar kinds of documents that make them publicly available in the way that you suggest the LDS church should.Ben M.
elguanteloko Posted July 28, 2010 Author Posted July 28, 2010 It answered the question. i don't think you get it. You do not understand what is asked of the Lord.all you said was that it is sacred (you don't say why) and that the Lord gave the revelation (you don't say why, either). You have answered nothing of relevance.
Bernard Gui Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 That is very different from refusing to disclose instructions that affects us all and that leaders are supposed to follow.What would be the purpose?Bernard
elguanteloko Posted July 28, 2010 Author Posted July 28, 2010 elguanteloko, why don't you provide some examples for us of other organizations with similar kinds of documents that make them publicly available in the way that you suggest the LDS church should.Ben M.What everybody else does or stops doing is irrelevant. I am asking for this specific issue.
mfbukowski Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 Again, I'll pay double for the price it costs to produce it. Would the Church agree to that?You can buy anything in this world with money.DudeHow crass can you get?
jskains Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 It just seems to be your straining for gnats. And I find this common in the Anti-LDS mindset. There is a need to seek out conspiracies and attempts to cause harm by the Church by even the most mundane things. Why?JMS
elguanteloko Posted July 28, 2010 Author Posted July 28, 2010 You can buy anything in this world with money.DudeHow crass can you get?I can't pay for the Church to agree to sell me one.
elguanteloko Posted July 28, 2010 Author Posted July 28, 2010 It just seems to be your straining for gnats. And I find this common in the Anti-LDS mindset. There is a need to seek out conspiracies and attempts to cause harm by the Church by even the most mundane things. Why?JMSanother irrelevant post to the thread. Just answer the question, jskains.
jskains Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 I can't pay for the Church to agree to sell me one. Yeah, and if the Church DID sell you one, the next move would be to claim it will sell anything to make a buck.It's a large endless circle.JMS
handys003 Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 My bank account and my phone books don't affect anyone else. The instructions your leaders are going to take about you with regards to spiritual matters seems a little bit more important to me.Sure it does it effects you and your family. Every time you apply for a loan. Every time you run a credit check. Every time you do your taxes. It's pertinent and sacred information to which you don't share, but only with the proper people you deem acceptable. You can't see it can you? Bottom line it is none of anyone's business in your business. It is the same with John Doe Public. None of their freaking business. It has to do with it being SACRED!Second if the church were to make the CHOI public. The cost of printing would be minuscule compared to the profit incurred. Everyone would buy it to see how the nut jobs operate.
elguanteloko Posted July 28, 2010 Author Posted July 28, 2010 Yeah, and if the Church DID sell you one, the next move would be to claim it will sell anything to make a buck.It's a large endless circle.JMSCan we please stop the paranoid mentality here? I am being quite serious about this question and you have offered nothing of relevance here.
Benjamin McGuire Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 elguanteloko writes:What everybody else does or stops doing is irrelevant. I am asking for this specific issue.It's not irrelevant at all. In fact its quite relevant. I expect that what the LDS Church does in this case is quite normal. You are the one who is insisting that for some reason the LDS Church should be doing something other than what it is doing. And you haven't really been very clear about why you think this is the case, or what you expect for your suggestion to achieve. Clearly, from my perspective, the whole issue of "hiding" something is a misnomer on your part. So I think that it is very, very relevant to your question. Why should the LDS church make it's Handbook of Instruction public? Just suggesting (as you are) that there is no reason not to is not compelling to me at all (or to most of the other people here).Ben M.
mfbukowski Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 What is contained in the Handbook are guidelines to be followed by the leadership, but the Spirit always prevails.If the Handbook were generally available, it would be interpreted legalistically and we would be having online debates about how someone's Bishop, "did not follow the Handbook" when in fact he was inspired not to do so.It deals with problems which most members do not even want to think about- problems which have arisen in the far corners of the church etc.In short, it would be a public expose of every possible piece of dirty laundry which might potentially arise and guidelines about how to deal with them. It is not exactly an uplifting read, trust me.
Jeff K. Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 What everybody else does or stops doing is irrelevant. I am asking for this specific issue.It is relevant. The fact is if you just want to kick up a dust storm because you don't like the church its bad.
handys003 Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 all you said was that it is sacred (you don't say why) and that the Lord gave the revelation (you don't say why, either). You have answered nothing of relevance.You apparently don't have a concept of sacredness. Go back to temple and learn what it means to be sacred. Sorry brah, but there is no point going on in such agrument it is a concept to me thaat you don't grasp.
jskains Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 Can we please stop the paranoid mentality here? I am being quite serious about this question and you have offered nothing of relevance here.It's not paranoid mentality. It's just fact. And this entire thread is not offering anything of relevance other than making some conspiracy theory on how the Church is deceptively hiding the CHOI.JMS
elguanteloko Posted July 28, 2010 Author Posted July 28, 2010 Sure it does it effects you and your family. Every time you apply for a loan. Every time you run a credit check. Every time you do your taxes. It's pertinent and sacred information to which you don't share, but only with the proper people you deem acceptable. You can't see it can you? Bottom line it is none of anyone's business in your business. It is the same with John Doe Public. None of their freaking business. It has to do with it being SACRED!Second if the church were to make the CHOI public. The cost of printing would be minuscule compared to the profit incurred. Everyone would buy it to see how the nut jobs operate.OK, it affects only me and my family. You still have not answered why it is sacred at all. I just don't understand why to keep something that the leaders are supposed to be following anyways and that affects us directly to all of us.
Jeff K. Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 The paranoia is reflected in the insistence to print something you neither own nor control. For reasons you see afraid to divulge. Now that's paranoia.
elguanteloko Posted July 28, 2010 Author Posted July 28, 2010 It's not paranoid mentality. It's just fact. And this entire thread is not offering anything of relevance other than making some conspiracy theory on how the Church is deceptively hiding the CHOI.JMSyou have nothing to contribute to the thread. I get it.
Jeff K. Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 you have nothing to contribute to the thread. I get it.What have you contributed?
elguanteloko Posted July 28, 2010 Author Posted July 28, 2010 The paranoia is reflected in the insistence to print something you neither own nor control. For reasons you see afraid to divulge. Now that's paranoia.I am not saying they SHOULD sell it. I am just asking, why don't they do it? I am not making conspiracy theories here and you guys keep on imagining them.
elguanteloko Posted July 28, 2010 Author Posted July 28, 2010 You apparently don't have a concept of sacredness. Go back to temple and learn what it means to be sacred. Sorry brah, but there is no point going on in such agrument it is a concept to me thaat you don't grasp.even sacred things have a reason for being sacred. you keep on avoiding the question.
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