Olavarria Posted November 25, 2009 Posted November 25, 2009 Mark 5:39-4239)And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth. 40)And they laughed him to scorn. But when he had put them all out, he taketh the father and the mother of the damsel, and them that were with him, and entereth in where the damsel was lying. The word translated as "put" is the Greek: ??????? ekballo 1) to cast out, drive out, to send out 1a) with notion of violence 1a1) to drive out (cast out) 1a2) to cast out 1a2a) of the world, i.e. be deprived of the power and influence he exercises in the world 1a2b) a thing: excrement from the belly into the sink 1a3) to expel a person from a society: to banish from a family 1a4) to compel one to depart; to bid one depart, in stern though not violent language 1a5) so employed that the rapid motion of the one going is transferred to the one sending forth 1a51) to command or cause one to depart in haste 1a6) to draw out with force, tear out 1a7) with implication of force overcoming opposite force 1a7a) to cause a thing to move straight on its intended goal 1a8) to reject with contempt, to cast off or away 1b) without the notion of violence 1b1) to draw out, extract, one thing inserted in another 1b2) to bring out of, to draw or bring forth 1b3) to except, to leave out, i.e. not receive 1b4) to lead one forth or away somewhere with a force which he cannot resistHe doesn't seem so nice in the Greek. Im sure you all can find other examples.I just think we in the West view Christ as effeminate, what sayest thou.
Jason Posted November 25, 2009 Posted November 25, 2009 "Nice" doesn't mean "a pushover". He also cast the Devil out of heaven, Adam & Eve out of the garden, flooded the Earth, scattered the tower builders and confused their language, rained fire and brimstone down on Soddam & Gammorah, ordered Joshua to destroy the natives of Palestine, etc. etc.He's still the nicest guy you'll ever meet.
Scottie Posted November 25, 2009 Posted November 25, 2009 He's still the nicest guy you'll ever meet.Sure, as long as you worship him. If not.... woe unto you.
Thorkyll Posted November 25, 2009 Posted November 25, 2009 He threatened people to hell.He had no respect for his elders.He made racist comments.He disrespected his mother.He attacked people at the Temple.Worst of all, he taught against observing God's law, yet taught obedience to the law of Caesar.I don't think he was nice.Mark 5:39-4239)And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth. 40)And they laughed him to scorn. But when he had put them all out, he taketh the father and the mother of the damsel, and them that were with him, and entereth in where the damsel was lying. The word translated as "put" is the Greek: ??????? ekballo 1) to cast out, drive out, to send out 1a) with notion of violence 1a1) to drive out (cast out) 1a2) to cast out 1a2a) of the world, i.e. be deprived of the power and influence he exercises in the world 1a2b) a thing: excrement from the belly into the sink 1a3) to expel a person from a society: to banish from a family 1a4) to compel one to depart; to bid one depart, in stern though not violent language 1a5) so employed that the rapid motion of the one going is transferred to the one sending forth 1a51) to command or cause one to depart in haste 1a6) to draw out with force, tear out 1a7) with implication of force overcoming opposite force 1a7a) to cause a thing to move straight on its intended goal 1a8) to reject with contempt, to cast off or away 1b) without the notion of violence 1b1) to draw out, extract, one thing inserted in another 1b2) to bring out of, to draw or bring forth 1b3) to except, to leave out, i.e. not receive 1b4) to lead one forth or away somewhere with a force which he cannot resistHe doesn't seem so nice in the Greek. Im sure you all can find other examples.I just think we in the West view Christ as effeminate, what sayest thou.
Lightbearer Posted November 25, 2009 Posted November 25, 2009 He doesn't seem so nice in the Greek. Im sure you all can find other examples.I just think we in the West view Christ as effeminate, what sayest thou.Then again trying to view two thousand years ago through multiple translations from another language does have it's challenges. I have never viewed Christ as effeminate at all or a coward or a wimp. Quite the contrary, He is always seen by me as strong and resolute and never afraid to face His adversaries. I see Him as a defender of the weak and the helpless. He never made His words "politically correct" and He did not "bow and scrape" to the powerful or the wealthy, in fact it was His boldness that seems to have led to His death, probably by design since that was His purpose (to die of the sins of the world). He was a carpenter so He must have had some physical strength, turning over the tables of the money changers and using a whip does take some physical prowess. His enemies said He was Beelzebub prince of devils, and even accused Him of blasphemy (an accusation that the LDS today are all too familiar with) because He had the gall to say He was the Son of God. But yes to His friends He was nice in fact those who knew Him best, loved Him most. Read 3 Nephi if you want an unfiltered view of His true character.
Scottie Posted November 25, 2009 Posted November 25, 2009 I just think we in the West view Christ as effeminate, what sayest thou.John 11:35 Jesus wept.We all know real men don't cry, right??
O-Brother Posted November 25, 2009 Posted November 25, 2009 Mark 5:39-4239)And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth. 40)And they laughed him to scorn. But when he had put them all out, he taketh the father and the mother of the damsel, and them that were with him, and entereth in where the damsel was lying. Being nice doesn't mean you take crap, so to speak. I think that Christ was a tough person with a soft heart. However, for proselytizing reasons, his "nice" side is overemphasized. Look at the OT and the NT and he's very blunt about a lot of things including what he will do to the wicked.
paulpatter Posted November 25, 2009 Posted November 25, 2009 Mark 5:39-4239)And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth. 40)And they laughed him to scorn. But when he had put them all out, he taketh the father and the mother of the damsel, and them that were with him, and entereth in where the damsel was lying. The word translated as "put" is the Greek: ??????? ekballo1) to cast out, drive out, to send out 1a) with notion of violence 1a1) to drive out (cast out) 1a2) to cast out 1a2a) of the world, i.e. be deprived of the power and influence he exercises in the world 1a2b) a thing: excrement from the belly into the sink 1a3) to expel a person from a society: to banish from a family 1a4) to compel one to depart; to bid one depart, in stern though not violent language 1a5) so employed that the rapid motion of the one going is transferred to the one sending forth 1a51) to command or cause one to depart in haste 1a6) to draw out with force, tear out 1a7) with implication of force overcoming opposite force 1a7a) to cause a thing to move straight on its intended goal 1a8) to reject with contempt, to cast off or away 1b) without the notion of violence 1b1) to draw out, extract, one thing inserted in another 1b2) to bring out of, to draw or bring forth 1b3) to except, to leave out, i.e. not receive 1b4) to lead one forth or away somewhere with a force which he cannot resistHe doesn't seem so nice in the Greek. Im sure you all can find other examples.I just think we in the West view Christ as effeminate, what sayest thou.I have to be honest. I think you have asked a "cognitive dissonance" question for the sole purpose of attracting attention.
handys003 Posted November 26, 2009 Posted November 26, 2009 Sure, as long as you worship him. If not.... woe unto you.No even Christ said that you can blaspheme against HF and Himself. It's only the Holy Ghost you don't screw around with.
Truth Posted November 26, 2009 Posted November 26, 2009 No even Christ said that you can blaspheme against HF and Himself. It's only the Holy Ghost you don't screw around with.Yes, and I have always been curious as to why that is.
handys003 Posted November 26, 2009 Posted November 26, 2009 Yes, and I have always been curious as to why that is.Because when you are assigned the 3 glories the Holy Ghost oversees the telestial. If you deny him you've essentially tossed your last chance away. Last stop Outer Darkness.
Duncan Posted November 26, 2009 Posted November 26, 2009 At the 1987 Sperry Symposium Dr. Robert J. Matthews wrote, "There is not a single case in the four gospel records that represent Jesus as impatient, critical, or unkind to people who were repentant, teachable, and willing to change their lives. He forgave their transgressions and mingled with publicans and sinners on condition of their repentance. He cast out devils, healed the lame, raised the dead, fed the hungry, opened the eyes of the blind, gave hearing to the deaf, and restored the sick to health if they but had the faith that he could do it. But he was a terror to the workers of iniquity and those who were self righteous, deceptive, or hypocritical. In dealing with the repentant he was kind and gentle, yet firm: the promised Messiah. To the proud, the haughty and the arrogant, he was absolutely indomitable and irrepresible and a threat to their crafitness"To me he has been gentle but firm is what I think of Christ
Smith Posted November 26, 2009 Posted November 26, 2009 Sure, as long as you worship him. If not.... woe unto you.In time, every knee shall bow....
justdreamin Posted November 26, 2009 Posted November 26, 2009 What do you value most, being nice or being just?
Jeff K. Posted November 26, 2009 Posted November 26, 2009 Sure, as long as you worship him. If not.... woe unto you.You only need to worship him if you want the blessings of the atonement, otherwise, you are free to make your choices, nice doesn't mean he has to give it all too you. He already gave you the resurrection for free. All yours. Pretty nice if you ask me.
BCSpace Posted November 26, 2009 Posted November 26, 2009 He doesn't seem so nice in the Greek. Im sure you all can find other examples.I just think we in the West view Christ as effeminate, what sayest thou.I say that people who differentiate between a "vengeful" OT God and a "peaceful" NT God have their heads in the sand and have not studied the Bible. Christ exhibits both these qualities and more.
ebeddoulos Posted November 27, 2009 Posted November 27, 2009 Language is a sword which improperly used can cut deep into the hearts of our fellowman and therefore should be wielded with honor and concern for the self-esteem of others. That said, Jesus himself often was not a nice guy to those who opposed him. He used highly offensive language for that day, age and culture. A quick read of chapter 23 of the Gospel of Matthew reveals several examples. A few insulting names Jesus used are:
David Bokovoy Posted November 27, 2009 Posted November 27, 2009 Jesus is/was a nice guy. I agree with Thayer's assessment of this verb:"to bid one depart, in stern though not violent language, Matt. 9:25; Mark 5:40; Acts 9:40; 16:37 (where distinguished from exagein)."A wise parent can be stern on occasion when teaching a child, but still nice.
Ron Beron Posted November 27, 2009 Posted November 27, 2009 Worst of all, he taught against observing God's law, yet taught obedience to the law of Caesar.I don't think he was nice.Where did he teach such disobedience? He taught a fulfillment of the law, a law that was practical and more pragmatic not blind obedience. I think that is an act enlightened kindness. As to whether he was kind is somewhat moot. Apparently, he was so kind that we have been arguing about him and his actions for over 2000 years. I agree with David et al when we compare him to a parents kindness. Have you ever met a Jewish mother?
Thorkyll Posted November 27, 2009 Posted November 27, 2009 Where did he teach such disobedience? He taught a fulfillment of the law, a law that was practical and more pragmatic not blind obedience. I think that is an act enlightened kindness. As to whether he was kind is somewhat moot. Apparently, he was so kind that we have been arguing about him and his actions for over 2000 years. I agree with David et al when we compare him to a parents kindness. Have you ever met a Jewish mother?So what are you suggesting about Judaism (i.e. Torah observance); that it is impractical, unenlightened cruelty??? God gave that law, and nobody -- not Jesus or Muhammad or Joseph Smith -- has the right to interfere with that. King David said that the law is life, it's our way to cleave to God.
katherine the great Posted November 27, 2009 Posted November 27, 2009 Anyone who loves me enough to suffer and die an excruciating death to save me is welcome to call me any name in the book.
handys003 Posted November 28, 2009 Posted November 28, 2009 He threatened people to hell.He had no respect for his elders.He made racist comments.He disrespected his mother.He attacked people at the Temple.Worst of all, he taught against observing God's law, yet taught obedience to the law of Caesar.I don't think he was nice.Wow you really have not read up on the man. Such hatred and disgust you spill is it any wonder why you cannot grasp Christs concepts.Concerning obedience to Caesar? You mean this?Matt. 22: 21 21 They say unto him, Caesar
handys003 Posted November 28, 2009 Posted November 28, 2009 BTW how many times in the Bible do we see the Jews being disobedient? Even today in relation to God's old testament laws?
Ron Beron Posted November 28, 2009 Posted November 28, 2009 So what are you suggesting about Judaism (i.e. Torah observance); that it is impractical, unenlightened cruelty??? God gave that law, and nobody -- not Jesus or Muhammad or Joseph Smith -- has the right to interfere with that. King David said that the law is life, it's our way to cleave to God.I believe that according to our beliefs Jesus had the right to change the law if it was his desire. After all, he gave it. However, Jesus never sought the destruction of the law only enforcement of its essential nature. For example, if it was wrong to commit adultery so was the mere look tantamount ot adultery.
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