Eternal Marriage

[T-Shirt]

My whole premise here may be in error, but if I understand the mainstream Christian's understanding of Adam and Eve, they believe the fall of Adam and Eve was a bad thing. As I understand it, they believe that God intended them to life forever in paradise in the presence of God. Now, if this is so, then would God have eventually forced a divorce on Adam and Eve, since the mainstream belief is that there is no marriage in heaven? In other words, if Adam and Eve had never partaken of the forbidden fruit, would they have been married for eternity? And if so, why not us?

T-Shirt

[Connolly]

What about Lillith?

[johnny]

T-Shirt,

My whole premise here may be in error, but if I understand the mainstream Christian's understanding of Adam and Eve, they believe the fall of Adam and Eve was a bad thing. As I understand it, they believe that God intended them to life forever in paradise in the presence of God.

I believe the fall of Adam and Eve was a bad thing, disobeying God's commandment is a bad thing.

Now, if this is so, then would God have eventually forced a divorce on Adam and Eve, since the mainstream belief is that there is no marriage in heaven?

God would NOT have had to "eventually forced a divorce on Adam and Eve". In the age to come we will not marry nor be given in marriage (Mk 12:25).

In other words, if Adam and Eve had never partaken of the forbidden fruit, would they have been married for eternity?

The Bible does NOT speak of a Adam and Eve being "married" and defintely does NOT mention Adam and Eve particpating in marriage ceremony in a Mormon Temple.

Adam and Eve would have been man and wife for eternity (Gen 2:25). A man and a wife are joined by God (Mark 10:9).

[Zakuska]

Does anyone else see the contradiction in Johnny's post?

Here:

In the age to come we will not marry nor be given in marriage(Mk 12:25).

In other words, if Adam and Eve had never partaken of the forbidden fruit, would they have been married for eternity?

The Bible does NOT speak of a Adam and Eve having a marriage ceremony in a temple. Adam and Eve would have been man and wife for eternity (Gen 2:25). A man and a wife are joined by God (Mark 10:9).

[johnny]

Zakuska,

Does anyone else see the contradiction in Johnny's post?

No contradiction ... "marriage" is a ceremony .... "man and a wife" is a relationship ... Adam and Eve were man and wife, joined by God.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

Zakuska,

No contradiction ... "marriage" is a ceremony .... "man and a wife" is a relationship ...

Oh wow nice logic. so i guess we will still be man and wife in the eternities then? Sounds like LDS doctrin to me.

[Zakuska]

WOW!.... Chin floor. You finally got it Johnny!

Can I bronze that Post!

Now the question is... why does your church (ie any chruch that isn't the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) have a built in divorce decree in its wedding ceremonies?

In othertwords the Priest disolves the "relationship" of man and wife at their death before their relationship ever begins.

[Lachoneus]

No contradiction ... "marriage" is a ceremony .... "man and a wife" is a relationship ...

In other words, as long as the ceremony of marriage is performed before "the age to come" (Mark 12:25), the relationship of man and wife can continue "for eternity." (Gen. 2:25) Thanks. I think I got it.

[johnny]

Mola Ram Suda Ram,

Oh wow nice logic. so i guess we will still be man and wife in the eternities then? Sounds like LDS doctrin to me.

LDS doctrine requires a priest of proper authority and must be done in a Mormon temple.

Adam and Eve DID NOT have a priest nor a Mormon temple.

God joined Adam and EVE without a priest or a Mormon temple.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

Mola Ram Suda Ram,

LDS doctrine requires a priest of proper authority and must be done in a Mormon temple.

Adam and Eve DID NOT have a priest nor a Mormon temple.

God joined Adam and EVE without a priest or a Mormon temple.

Lets see, I seem to remember that God is the preisthood, or the priesthood comes from God. He is the High Preist. It would seem that he did marry them by his authority. The preisthood is the authority to act in Gods name. There would also be no need for a building in the garden of eden since God already was present. Who said Adam and Eve had to be married in a Mormon Temple?

[johnny]

Zakuska,

Now the question is... why does your church (ie any chruch that isn't the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) have a built in divorce decree in its wedding ceremonies?

There is no built in divorce decree, after death a man and a wife can still maintain their man and wife relationship.

In othertwords the Priest disolves the "relationship" of man and wife at their death.

The surviving spouse is free to remarry when one spouse dies.

[Zakuska]

Adam and Eve DID NOT have a priest nor a Mormon temple.

I was under the impression that the Garden was a Temple.

God joined Adam and EVE without a priest or a Mormon temple.

But who joined Adam and eve's Children?

[johnny]

Lachoneus,

In other words, as long as the ceremony of marriage is performed before "the age to come" (Mark 12:25), the relationship of man and wife can continue "for eternity." (Gen. 2:25) Thanks. I think I got it.

You are missing the point ...

In the age to come a man and a woman are joined by God as man and wife.

In the age to come there is NO marriage ceremony by a Mormon priest in a Mormon temple.

[Zakuska]

In the age to come there is NO marriage ceremony by a Mormon priest in a Mormon temple.

BINGO!

Johhny has finally goit it!!!

This is a real break through Johhny!

Congratulations!

[johnny]

Mola Ram Suda Ram,

Lets see, I seem to remember that God is the preisthood, or the priesthood comes from God. He is the High Preist. It would seem that he did marry them by his authority. The preisthood is the authority to act in Gods name. There would also be no need for a building in the garden of eden since God already was present. Who said Adam and Eve had to be married in a Mormon Temple?

The Mormon Church teaches "Not only must an eternal marriage be performed by the proper priesthood authority, but it must also be done in one of the holy temples of our Lord. The temple is the only place this holy ordinance can be performed."

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

BINGO!

Johhny has finally goit it!!!

This is a real break through Johhny!

Congratulations!

Lets start filling up the font. Its time for a baptism.

Mola Ram Suda Ram,

The Mormon Church teaches "Not only must an eternal marriage be performed by the proper priesthood authority, but it must also be done in one of the holy temples of our Lord. The temple is the only place this holy ordinance can be performed."

Is a temple always a building?

[johnny]

Zakuska,

I was under the impression that the Garden was a Temple.

The Bible does NOT give "the impression that the Garden was a Temple" ...

But who joined Adam and eve's Children?

God joins a man and a woman as man and wife.

[johnny]

Mola Ram Suda Ram,

Is a temple always a building?

The Mormon Church teaches, "In the temple, Latter-day Saint couples kneel at one of the sacred altars .."

[Lachoneus]

You are missing the point ...

In the age to come a man and a woman are joined by God as man and wife.

In the age to come there is NO marriage ceremony by a Mormon priest in a Mormon temple.

I'm not the one missing the point. As I said, "In other words, as long as the ceremony of marriage is performed before "the age to come" (Mark 12:25), the relationship of man and wife can continue "for eternity." (Gen. 2:25)"

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

Mola Ram Suda Ram,

The Mormon Church teaches, "In the temple, Latter-day Saint couples kneel at one of the sacred altars .."

Does it now. Well was that always the case? Please dont refer to my church as the Mormon church. Say LDS or something else. I dont belong to the Mormon church. Does the church teach that through out the ages that a temple was a building? I dont believe it does.

[johnny]

Lachoneus,

I'm not the one missing the point. As I said, "In other words, as long as the ceremony of marriage is performed before "the age to come" (Mark 12:25), the relationship of man and wife can continue "for eternity." (Gen. 2:25)"

I would agree, the Catholic Church teaches:

2382 - The Lord Jesus insisted on the original intention of the Creator who willed that marriage be indissoluble. Between the baptized, a ratified and consummated marriage cannot be dissolved by any human power or for any reason other than death

1640 - The marriage bond has been established by God himself in such a way that a marriage concluded and consummated between baptized persons can never be dissolved.

1614- The matrimonial union of man and woman is indissoluble: God himself has determined it "what therefore God has joined together, let no man put asunder" .

1639 - The consent by which the spouses mutually give and receive one another is sealed by God himself [Mk 10:9]. From their covenant arises an institution, confirmed by the divine law,... even in the eyes of society. The covenant between the spouses is integrated into God's covenant with man: Authentic married love is caught up into divine love

1602 - Scripture speaks throughout of marriage and its "mystery," its institution and the meaning God has given it, its origin and its end, its various realizations throughout the history of salvation, the difficulties arising from sin and its renewal "in the Lord" in the New Covenant of Christ and the Church.

[Zakuska]

You know Adam and Eve are a perfect example...

Remember they both died just a little while after God had eternal wed them.

It just goes to show that... "till death do you part" has no business what so ever in a wedding ceremony.

2382 - The Lord Jesus insisted on the original intention of the Creator who willed that marriage be indissoluble. Between the baptized, a ratified and consummated marriage cannot be dissolved by any human power or for any reason other than death

Yet Catholic Priests step on Gods toes every day when they pernounce the man and wives marriage relationship disolved at death?

[johnny]

Mola Ram Suda Ram,

Does it now. Well was that always the case? Please dont refer to my church as the Mormon church. Say LDS or something else. I dont belong to the Mormon church. Does the church teach that through out the ages that a temple was a building? I dont believe it does.

Could you please provide an offical LDS teaching that support your words .... thanks.

[johnny]

Zakuska,

Remember they both died just a little while after God had eternal wed them.

Adam and Eve were still physcially alive after their fall. The Bible does NOT support your words "after God had eternal wed them".

It just goes to show that... "till death do you part" has no business what so ever in a wedding ceremony.

Scripture supports the idea of remarrying after one spouse dies.

Yet Catholic Priests step on Gods toes every day when they pernounce the man and wives marriage disolved at death.

The "marriage" dissolves, the surviving spouse has the free choice to remarry after their spouse dies. If the "marriage" did not dissolve then it would be adultery if the surviving spouse remarries.

I will respond tomorrow evening since it is my bedtime and I will be working tomorrow ...

[Zakuska]

A Johhny... 'wed' means to "Give in marraige" to Join.

Yes Scripture does support the other spouse remarrying. But it does not support "till death do you part".

The "marriage" dissolves, the surviving spouse has the free choice to remarry after their spouse dies. If the "marriage" did not dissolve then it would be adultery if the surviving spouse remarries.

Hmmm... I wonder why God did not call what the commandment keeping Abraham did "adultury"?

And since the catholic priest pronounces the dissolve at death then he is asurping power from God.