katherine the great Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 Learned men would guffaw over a farm boy translating the plates and probably agree with the farmer. In the end, the plates wouldn't have proved a datgum thing and anyone who says it would have made all the difference is, well, not telling the truth.They're better off in the Lord's care. Amen. I agree with you that they are better off in the Lord's care. I disagree though that experts would guffaw over his translation. Do you know how the Rosetta stone was translated? Champollion and his English counterpart took different approaches. Champollion focused on linguistics, but Thomas Young used mathematics to show word repetition and language structure. Young's approach would surely have supported Joseph Smith's translation.
katherine the great Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 Incidentally, in connection with this post I would like to greet my friends over at RfM, some of whom have been deeply troubled by my lack of participation here during the past two weeks or so. One or two of them are monitoring the number of times I post here, the number of times I log in here, and filing frequent reports regarding my posting activity and my comments back at their home message board. I want them to know that I'm just fine, and that they needn't worry about my health, my employment, or any new marching orders for me from Salt Lake City. In fact, since they're so deeply interested in my daily activities, I wonder if they would like me to send them a copy of my daily schedule. That could probably be arranged for a nominal fee of, oh, say, ten dollars a day to cover costs (including shipping and handling). I'm sorry, but I'm unwilling to wear a radio-transmitter ankle bracelet. Huh?
dbschroeder Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 i believe in the 10 commandments even tho moses broke the tablets in a fit...db9
katherine the great Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 i believe in the 10 commandments even tho moses broke the tablets in a fit...db9 Well he either glued them back together or God made him some more because they were allegedly stored in the Ark.
Gohan Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 Ultimately, won't the Lord bring the plates back from heaven so that the sealed portion can be revealed?
Mark Beesley Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 dbschroeder wrote: i believe in the 10 commandments even tho moses broke the tablets in a fit...db9 Somebody has been watching too many movies. The tablets Moses smashed contained the higher Gospel, i.e. the Gospel Christ taught. The 10 Commandments were given in a lower law that Moses received on his second trip up the mountain.
Mark Beesley Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 Gohan wrote:Ultimately, won't the Lord bring the plates back from heaven so that the sealed portion can be revealed? What makes you think they aren't sitting in a vault in the Salt Lake Temple right now?
dbschroeder Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 dbschroeder wrote: i believe in the 10 commandments even tho moses broke the tablets in a fit...db9
Gohan Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 General Authority sees mbeesley's post:"Flip, somebody figured it out. Now we have to rehide them all over again....."
Beowulf Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 Katherine said:Well he either glued them back together or God made him some more because they were allegedly stored in the Ark.He did. See Exodus 34: 1-4
Mark Beesley Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 dbschroeder wrote:my point einstein is that even though some tablets supposedly existed and even though we don't have these tablets i still accept the orgin of the story of the 10 commandments, and other parts of the old testament, as i do the b/o/m.get it?thank u.Gotcha Nietsche.Yer welcome. But hey, weren't those tablets found in that ark that Indiana Jones found, but they had kinda turned to dust?
Gohan Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 The plates he (Moses) smashed contained the Law of Commensalism, didn't they?
asbestosman Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 Their presence wouldn't convince those who thought it was a forgery.I strongly (but respectfully) disagree. They would be very powerful evidence. If there really were gold plates, inscribed with some kind of reformed Egyptian, I would most certainly believe. I really think nearly anyone would. Why do you think they wouldn't? Is there any comparably good evidence that you think has failed to convince people to believe? Honestly, I really can't think of anything even close.Maybe you are right, but boy, I'd sure change my mind about the Book of Mormon. Remember the Book of Abraham. Even without the questions dealing with the Joseph Smith Papyrus, we still had people arguing about the facsimilies. Do you really think the Gold Plates would be that different?
Gohan Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 No matter how strong the evidence, there are always some people that can't/won't accept it. If memory serves, there is a thread running on the facsimilies by David Bokovoy right now. I'd go there for information on them.
katherine the great Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 The plates he (Moses) smashed contained the Law of Commensalism, didn't they? I don't know what commensalism is. According to the Joseph Smith translation of Deut. 10: 2, the only thing that is missing from the second ones is the "words of the covenant of the everlasting priesthood." I guess that is open to interpretation since the Bible says God made this covenant with Aaron's grandson Phineas.
Mark Beesley Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 Gohan wrote:General Authority sees mbeesley's post:"Flip, somebody figured it out. Now we have to rehide them all over again....." My dad used to work in the Church Historian's office, years and years and years ago. He used to tell us kids stories about the secret tunnels under the Salt Lake Temple and the Church Office Building. There was one vault in particular that was kept exceedingly secure by a set of long swords of ancient design crossed in front of the door to the vault and secured by an intricate locking system. Occassionally, he was granted access to the vault to retrieve certain documents for the First Presidency. Inside the vault, which was about 8' by 8' was a heavy wooden table on which a hinged wooden box sat. The box was about 12" x 12" x 12", and was secured by a simple latch. One time when dad was in the vault, the latch was loose and the lid to the box was slightly ajar. The light from the outer hallway was shining into the vault directly, and fell directly on the box. The light struck something inside the box that, when reflected, gave off an other-worldly golden hue. If you've gotten this far into this fable with any degree of a straight face, you need to seek immediate professional counselling.
Gohan Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 I just remember having a lesson about it in Sunday School a couple of months ago. I'll look it up when I get the chance.
katherine the great Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 I just remember having a lesson about it in Sunday School a couple of months ago. I'll look it up when I get the chance. Well there's a biological term by that name, but I've never heard it as a religious law.
Gohan Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 My dad used to work in the Church Historian's office, years and years and years ago. He used to tell us kids stories about the secret tunnels under the Salt Lake Temple and the Church Office Building. There was one vault in particular that was kept exceedingly secure by a set of long swords of ancient design crossed in front of the door to the vault and secured by an intricate locking system. Occassionally, he was granted access to the vault to retrieve certain documents for the First Presidency. Inside the vault, which was about 8' by 8' was a heavy wooden table on which a hinged wooden box sat. The box was about 12" x 12" x 12", and was secured by a simple latch. One time when dad was in the vault, the latch was loose and the lid to the box was slightly ajar. The light from the outer hallway was shining into the vault directly, and fell directly on the box. The light struck something inside the box that, when reflected, gave off an other-worldly golden hue. If you've gotten this far into this fable with any degree of a straight face, you need to seek immediate professional counselling. Aww man, now I have to go get professional counselling....again. *stomps off*
katherine the great Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 If you've gotten this far into this fable with any degree of a straight face, you need to seek immediate professional counselling. Ha ha! You made a funny! (I didn't know you had it in you!)
Gohan Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 I've never heard of a biological term by that name, and I'm pretty sure it was a religious thing/law. I'll ask my Sunday School Teacher.
Mark Beesley Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 Katherine the Great wrote:Ha ha! You made a funny! (I didn't know you had it in you!)Actually, if people on this Board knew me, they would take very little of what I say very seriously, or at least with a grain of paprika. My first wife told my current wife not to take anything I say seriously.
katherine the great Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 My first wife told my current wife not to take anything I say seriously. Gee, I wonder why!
Cold Steel Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 Do you know how the Rosetta stone was translated? Champollion and his English counterpart took different approaches. Champollion focused on linguistics, but Thomas Young used mathematics to show word repetition and language structure. Young's approach would surely have supported Joseph Smith's translation. No, I thought the key to the translation was the other known languages. There's also some evidence that Smith provided more than just a straight translation in the conventional sense. His use of "steel" for strength, "cimiter" as a weapon, and "compass" suggest that there was a certain amount of interpretive license taken in the translation. This may have...umm...queered any attempt to render a usable basis from which to proceed.But even so, I still don't think some people would have bought it. There are people who are convinced that Satan himself wrote the Book of Mormon; others who don't care who wrote it (even if an angel appeared and declared it with a blaring trumpet); and still others who judge everything on faith (God love 'em)."The Bible says it, I believe it, and that SETTLES it!"--Bumper sticker--Cold Steel
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