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But I must ask, where are the scriptures that "prove" there is only one god and how do the scriptures I presented to you not help?

Deuteronomy 4:35

You were shown these things so that you might know that the LORD is God; besides him there is no other.

Deuteronomy 4:39

Acknowledge and take to heart this day that the LORD is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other.

1 Kings 8:60

so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God and that there is no other.

Isaiah 44:8

Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one."

Isaiah 45:5

I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me,

Isaiah 45:6

so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting men may know there is none besides me. I am the LORD, and there is no other.

Isaiah 45:14

This is what the LORD says: "The products of Egypt and the merchandise of Cush, and those tall Sabeans

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Okay, I read it but I must give you some advice that I have learned in life. Unless the spirit confirms it or has manifested it unto you (you must make sure it is the spirit) do not place your faith or wisdom upon it.

If the spirit confirmed that George Washington walked on the moon would you believe it?

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These are clearly discriptions of Christ. These are very beautiful scriptures because Christ is telling us how there is no other besides Him. Meaning that no other God has been perfect while in the form of a man, suffered the atonement, and all that stuff. He is pretty much saying, "there is no other Christ" but the prophets in the Old world at that time did not know to use that word because it had not been manifested to them. Which shows us another reason why the Book of Mormon is the fulness because the New world prophets knew of the name Christ but we will not get into that

Yes Brentley, I have heard this all before. You asked why I believe there is one God and I gave you my references. We clearly have a major disagreement about what these any many other verses in the Bible are saying.

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Benji,

If the Church fathers interpreted John 10 and Pslams 82 just like Brently did would you beleive it?

I doubt it because you know more than the people who wrote and compiled the Bible in the first place.

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"for the wisdom of God is foolishness unto man".

This is referring to the humility of Christ, Brentley. Here is the exact verse:

1 Corinthians 1:25

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

Benji

That's not the one I was talking about, try this one.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

You didn't recieve it by the spirit now did you? Just kidding :P .

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After truly reading the first post of this thread in depth, I would have to say this:

The reason I left your church is indeed the same reason I stay away from it: I have been completely converted to a faith that I believe to be truth.

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Boniface,

Don't you just love that new Catechism!

I do!

460 The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature":78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/arch...122a3p1.htm#460

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Okay, I read it but I must give you some advice that I have learned in life. Unless the spirit confirms it or has manifested it unto you (you must make sure it is the spirit) do not place your faith or wisdom upon it.

If the spirit confirmed that George Washington walked on the moon would you believe it?

Benji

If the spirit confirmed it I would believe it. But that would not play any part in my eternal progression, so why would the spirit care to waste his time?

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That's not the one I was talking about, try this one.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

You didn't recieve it by the spirit now did you? Just kidding

I believe this verse applies to many people, including those who accept Mormonism as truth.

Benji

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Boniface,

Don't you just love that new Catechism!

I do!

460 The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature":78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/arch...122a3p1.htm#460

Fortunately, we aren't bold enough to try and make guesses exactly what that means.

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Brentley

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That's not the one I was talking about, try this one.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

You didn't recieve it by the spirit now did you? Just kidding

I believe this verse applies to many people, including those who accept Mormonism as truth.

Benji

I understand that. I have had to go back to this scripture many times. Especially when I was trying to understand the church by only my own knowledge.

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Once again, Boniface's following words also apply to me.

The reason I left your church is indeed the same reason I stay away from it: I have been completely converted to a faith that I believe to be truth.

Benji

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The Church prays in the Offertory of the Holy Mass :
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Brentley

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Once again, Boniface's following words also apply to me.
The reason I left your church is indeed the same reason I stay away from it: I have been completely converted to a faith that I believe to be truth.

Benji

Did the spirit confirm it? You must have forgotten to let the spirt confirm everything else with the LDS church, why would it all of a sudden aply when you cam into your church.

How can you have that much knowledge and that much of an understanding of Gods truth without the spirit manifesting it to you? or did the spirit manifest it to you. Just wondering.

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Boniface,

you also haven't read into Catholic doctrine enough. You will not find any official doctrine in which we speculate exactly what happens in the hereafter. All we know is that we will be WITH God, that we will be joint heirs with Christ, and we will HOPEFULLY be at His right hand. We do not speculate that we will be making planets, having "spirit babies", or anything other than that. That has been the church's position since the very beginning.

All right you really want the quotes don't you?

You obviously have not read the church fathers, there was plenty speculation going on.

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Zak,
you also haven't read into Catholic doctrine enough. You will not find any official doctrine in which we speculate exactly what happens in the hereafter. All we know is that we will be WITH God, that we will be joint heirs with Christ, and we will HOPEFULLY be at His right hand. We do not speculate that we will be making planets, having "spirit babies", or anything other than that. That has been the church's position since the very beginning.

All right you really want the quotes don't you?

You obviously have not read the church fathers.

Your church fathers or mine?

The Catholic Church has always taught exactly what the Bible says on the matter of eternal life: we are going to partake in God's divine nature. What that means, we don't know. Any "quotes" are nothing more than just speculation.

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You just got through saying that the Catholics didn't speculate. So which is it?

Im talking about Augustine and Athanaisas that won the debate at Nicea.

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You just got through saying that the Catholics didn't speculate. So which is it?

I never said we don't speculate. I said we have no official doctrine as to EXACTLY WHAT happens in heaven.

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Yes because you know more than the people who gave you that little black book combined. 

....huh? 

That was for Benji.

Benji didn't get it either.

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