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Detainers are served when someone has finished their sentence. Yes, I know this because my daughter-in-laws father was deported after serving his 1 year rape sentence in the county jail in Michigan after raping his cognitively impaired niece for 5 years after grooming her when driving her to seminary in the morning. My daughter-in-law was so incredibly happy he was deported so she did not live in fear of him showing up on her doorstep. She was very upset by the light sentence. Her cousin served 'more time' than her dad plus a life filled with emotional repercussions from the abuse. He was white and Canadian so I guess ICE cooperation was okay in Michigan 3 years ago. ICE used to have offices in jails in Minnesota too, so this was a smooth and safe process. Sanctuary cities demand no cooperation so the bad guys are released back into vulnerable communities to do more harm to vulnerable populations. Somehow, this is seen as a good thing by many. I don't see it. In Denver, cops have to chase these released criminals through the streets.

These discussions devolve into some form of ‘if you support borders and actually enforcing current immigration laws you’re just a far right bigot and not Christ like.’ There is a good reason the rape gangs in England were allowed to flourish. Being called a name is much worse than letting little girls be groomed and trafficked. Completely ignored are the legitimate concerns of people who see harms in their communities. The media completely vilified those discussing apartment takeovers by Venezuelan gangs in my community. It didn’t matter the residents were being threatened and harmed. They were sacrificed because the politics demanded they be ignored. They were all evicted. If no one wants ICE in neighborhoods, petition your government to honor ICE detainers so at least there is cooperation when removing illegals who are breaking other laws. (Besides immigration laws and identity theft and legal work requirements and tax laws…) It is irresponsible to brainwash people to think saving some rapist from deportation using whistles and cars to interfer with ice is a good thing. Many who are not criminals have final removal orders from a judge…they still scream about no due process. It seems a large percentage here believe it just to ignore the laws they don’t like and anyone who disagrees is a meany. Biden completely and purposely broke the border. The budget impacts have been enormous in Denver and Colorado. The human cost catastrophic. It was a cartel enrichment scheme but those rapes/deaths/lost minors/crimes were ignored. Obama’s record on deportations is more problematic but was ignored by those who are upset now.

I think this is a wonderful thing. But, couldn’t other charities say our corporate donors pay overheard so your donation goes 100% to the cause? It’s not really 100%. It’s 100% of a category of donations.

I agree that is what is nice about church donations. The church funds the admin of charity funds through other funds. I don’t think it is necessarily bad or mismanagement that other charities do not have an umbrella entity to pay for their charity wing. Volunteers and free labor can only go so far in a large charity organization. This is why so often the church outsources its charity donation to other established charities that are prepared to fulfill a specific need. United way functions mostly as a referral agency to other community resources. So many charity criticisms are due to misunderstandings about which charities perform which functions.

I don’t think this is true. If it’s a rule it is frequently broken. I don’t think it should be a rule either. I know many in the US illegally who have been baptized.

It was more an example of what Bishop or Branch President should do if they know they are being lied to in a temple recommend interview. What do they ignore if people lie to them. Entering the country illegally is criminal. Unlawful presence is civil/deportable. Stolen or forged work documents is criminal.

Those are criminal violations.

I would not report the immigration status of a ward member. It does put Branch Presidents in some morally ambiguous situations at times. If you know a congregant is in the country illegally, buying and working under forged documents…they still say they are honest in their dealings. You are told to just give the recommend. This is the counsel. But, it is up to the congregant to answer the questions. What if it wasn’t immigration related law breaking. Would the advice be the same? Infidelity? Child abuse? Under Obama a ward member and her 15 year old were arrested by ICE. The dad went into hiding. The kids ended up with us until a relative came. They were in jail for months. Feed and clothe and give aide but also don’t step into breaking the law yourself. It’s also okay to do all those things but not agree with open border policies.

If you make a big mistake, make sure there is not enough money in the bank account to cover it and it will not go through. I added an extra zero once…oops.

My spouse, besides dealing with insufferable companions, thought mission life was easy because you only had to focus on one thing. No outside pressures. Loved his mission president whose focus was to 'save the missionaries.' My son felt worthless for two years and like he could never measure up. He had a very by the numbers, salesman focused mission president. He asked at the end of his mission what my son learned. He replied, 'to love people' and the mission president said, 'that's good but I wish you had baptized more.' He found it demoralizing. He has since left the church and feels guilty for ever serving. Life is rough.

Overall, I like this change. I think more girls will go on missions now. I see this dramatically changing the make up of freshman in college in church schools and other schools in Utah.

My husband was scheduled to return after his two years were served. There was a big push to extend by a group of missionaries, and they were doing the 'if you were faithful, you would want to extend.' They wanted their whole group to extend. He said no, he was going to go home when he was scheduled to go home. Soon after, the mission president put a kibosh on all mission extensions. My spouse felt very vindicated.

I missed your post. I just put this on the main board. Sorry! I think this is a great change.

Church lowers missionary age for women to 18 – Church News "The First Presidency is pleased to announce that effective immediately, young women who choose to serve a full-time mission may begin their service at age 18 following graduation from high school or its equivalent. “While the Lord asks every worthy, able young man as part of his priesthood responsibility to prepare for and serve a mission, we reiterate that missionary service remains an optional opportunity for young women. We recognize that for those young women who desire to serve a full-time mission, the choice of age to begin service will not be the same for everyone. “We extend our love to the youth of the Church and commend them for their faithfulness.” I think more women will go on missions with this.

The church sent a letter about building security on Oct. 10th. What are your wards doing about security and active shooter training? There is an existing video to watch. Grand Blanc shooting: Church issues letter on meetinghouse security – Deseret News Link to church security resources page with run, hide, fight video. Church Security Resources I was trained on Avoid, Deny, Defend. There is also Move! Escape or Attack! Critics think run, hide, fight is a bit too passive. Have any of you had anything come out on this yet?

Yes!

Smac and I once posted all the church arsons that occurred. It was way more than you would think.

He seems off his rocker crazy in that ranting video. Had to watch it for myself. The evidence for criminal wrong doing is scant and with the cases being tossed due to technicalities, it provides cover for his accusations. I wish more text messages would be released publicly because that seems to be where the hard evidence is found. He still does have people who believe this was a conspiracy against him.

Obituary: Deseret News Published: June 5, 1989 12:00 a.m. The funeral for Arthur Zander, considered the father of organized soccer in Utah, will be June 6. He died June 2 of cancer at age 82. Mr. Zander started playing soccer at age 6 in his native Hamburg, Germany, where he played for 39 years. He converted to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and moved to Utah in 1952 where he organized the Alemannia Soccer Club and the Berlin Soccer Club.He founded the Utah High School Soccer Association and introduced soccer to Brigham Young University and Salt Lake City's South High School, where he was South High's first soccer coach. Mr. Zander also started the Arthur Zander Soccer Equipment Store, which he operated for more than 20 years from the basement of his home. Funeral services will be held at noon at the Forest Dale Ward, 739 E. Ashton Ave. Friends may call Monday from 7-9 p.m. at the Mackay Deseret Mortuary, 36 E. Seventh South, and Tuesday at the chapel one hour before funeral services. Interment will be in the Salt Lake City Cemetery.

Okay. This is interesting. From AI: So that means information must be verified. "Arthur Zander was born in 1907 in Hamburg, Germany. Little is documented about his early life, but he converted to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) as an adult and rose to a leadership position within the church during the Nazi era. By 1939, he served as the branch president of the St. Georg Branch in Hamburg, the largest LDS congregation in the West German Mission at the time, with over 400 members. He lived in the suburb of Hamm with his wife and three sons, including his eldest, Ingo (born 1934), who was baptized in the branch's font in 1942. Zander was a fervent supporter of the Nazi Party and integrated his political views into church activities, which created significant tension within the congregation. Eyewitness accounts describe him as a "devout National Socialist" who interrupted Sunday meetings to broadcast Adolf Hitler's speeches over the radio, sometimes locking members in until the broadcasts ended. He prayed for Hitler during services, displayed swastika flags in meeting rooms, and posted a "Juden verboten" (Jews forbidden) sign on the chapel door to comply with Nazi laws and potentially curry favor with local authorities. This led to the exclusion of at least one part-Jewish member, Salomon Schwarz, who was redirected to a neighboring branch. Some members viewed these actions as protective measures to avoid scrutiny from the regime, while others saw them as enthusiastic collaboration. In 1942, following the arrest of teenage branch members Helmuth Hübener, Karl-Heinz Schnibbe, and Rudi Wobbe for distributing anti-Nazi leaflets (which they produced using church equipment), Zander moved quickly to distance the congregation from the scandal. He marked Hübener's membership record as "excommunicated" for treasonous behavior, an action co-signed by mission president Alando (Anthon) Huck but refused by district leader Otto Berndt. Schnibbe and Wobbe were also excommunicated shortly after their trial. Zander justified this as necessary to protect the branch from Gestapo reprisals and prove LDS loyalty to the regime. The excommunications were later reversed by the church's First Presidency in 1948, with Hübener reinstated posthumously. In spring 1943, the St. Georg Branch meetinghouse was confiscated by the government, and Zander was drafted into the Wehrmacht (German army). He served in the Netherlands and later in France to counter the Allied D-Day invasion, where he was wounded and captured by American forces. He spent the remainder of the war as a prisoner of war in Oklahoma until late 1945. Meanwhile, his family's Hamburg apartment was destroyed in 1943 air raids, forcing his wife and sons to relocate to southern Germany for safety. Upon his release, Zander returned to Hamburg in 1946 to find his family living in dire conditions in a small garden shed without utilities. The St. Georg Branch was not reconstituted post-war, with survivors joining other Hamburg congregations. Zander faced no trials or legal repercussions for his wartime actions, as was common for many low-level Nazi supporters in post-war denazification efforts. In the early 1950s, he emigrated to the United States and settled in Salt Lake City, Utah. Despite his controversial past, he was employed by the LDS Church for 19 years in administrative or support roles. He became known as the "father of organized soccer in Utah," founding children's soccer leagues and contributing significantly to youth sports in the area. Zander died on June 2, 1989, from cancer at age 82. He is buried in Salt Lake City Cemetery. His obituary, likely family-submitted, highlighted his church employment and soccer contributions but omitted any mention of his Nazi-era role or actions, leading critics to describe it as "whitewashed." This has sparked ongoing discussions in LDS and historical circles about the church's handling of former Nazi collaborators, repentance, and institutional memory, drawing parallels to broader post-WWII reintegration of Germans."

He actually seemed to be a true believer and broke church standards by preaching loyalty to the regime from the pulpit.

That seems to be the question. Was the Bishop afraid if they did not comply, the entire congregation would be killed? The excommunication was not done according to church standards and Helmuth was reinstated in 1946. I guess the movie leaves out the excommunication but it is included in the extended version.

A review.

This is a story coming to the big screen. It tells of the events during WW2. This is its synopsis on AMC. I think it will be hard to see a Bishop encouraging following the Nazi’s. We are taught to follow the law. We are also taught to do what is right let the consequence follow. What happens when they conflict?