The Nehor

Yeah, I thought I had missed something at first. You don’t see much of anything.

You must believe all the baseless conspiracy theories put out by the John Birch Society or you will burn in hell!!!!!!! Interesting approach to the gospel.

The irony is that there were people doing providing what we would now call gender affirming healthcare in Germany in the 1930s. A gay Jewish doctor (Magnus Hirschfeld) opened a clinic in 1919 to study sexuality. He was way ahead of his time. He basically discovered “situational” and “conditional” homosexuality and came up with bisexuality. He acknowledged an equivalent of non-binary and gender fluid people. He understood that transgender people could have a sexuality independent being transgender (still a stumbling block for many today). By 1930 he was providing pioneering gender-affirming surgeries. He prescribed hormone therapy. There was an extensive library of notes and research information they collected. The place was a refuge for queer people while the clinic also served the larger community with information about sexual health and contraception. He employed several transgender people who couldn’t get a job anywhere else. He created and provided legally valid “transvestite” medical cards that kept some of his patients for being arrested. Hirschfeld was out of the country in early 1933 when the Nazis took power. They began their campaign to eliminate those whose ‘lives weren’t worth living’. His associate and romantic partner fled with what he could but the institute was looted, the irreplaceable library of notes and rare books on sexuality was burned and the German newsreels triumphantly announced that the ‘intellectual garbage’ was being destroyed. It was one of the first major moves. It made strategic sense. Start with the people almost everyone was suspicious of and didn’t like. Once you can convince people that ‘the worst people’ don’t deserve rights it is very easy to expand that category. Hirschfeld’s likeness was a staple in Nazi propaganda as a kind of ultimate undesirable, a homosexual Jew. Last time the gender-affirming healthcare providers were the enemies of the fascists. They weren’t the Mengeles. The Mengeles were the ones imprisoning their patients and experimenting on them. Article on the clinic: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/

I think a lot of it came from being called on the carpet by President Kimball and made to apologize to the Twelve. He did but it was somehow not satisfactory so he was made to do it again before all the General Authorities. It if funny at the current time to remember that then Elder Benson clashed with Dallin H Oaks over hirings at BYU and suspected Oaks of being too liberal. Also Elder Oaks had clerked at the Supreme Court for a Justice that was at the heart of several of the more colorful/insane John Birch Society conspiracy theories.

He is saying that medical staff that support gender affirming care are war criminals on par with fascists, particularly Nazis. True.

The context doesn’t help on any of those but you are welcome to post more comprehensive quotes if you believe it would help. Why would it need clarification though?

Some Charlie Kirk quotes: “We need to have a Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic doctor. We need it immediately.” (And people suggest he wasn’t down with Nazi rhetoric?) “The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different.” (The White race as conceived of by ‘scientific racism’ must lead?) “Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America.” (Those crazy transgender supporting Muslims….) “There is no separation of church and state. It’s a fabrication, it’s a fiction, it’s not in the constitution. It’s made up by secular humanists.” (The phrase was coined by the evil secular humanist Thomas Jefferson) “If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified.” (White people are assumed to be competent by default, everyone else is suspect) “Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.” (Note: Not actually a fact) “You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.” (Vile) “America was at its peak when we halted immigration for 40 years and we dropped our foreign-born percentage to its lowest level ever. We should be unafraid to do that.” (The good old days when we were turning away Jews and other refugees from the Second World War? When we were shoving Japanese Americans into camps out of paranoia? Not exactly our proudest moment. Also we didn’t halt immigration, just severely curtailed it and it was designed to allow in pretty much only white Western Europeans. Roosevelt was not a fan of this) Those are pretty extremist and filled with white supremacist dogwhistles. He was trolling with the bullet inscriptions. Messing with everyone’s heads. That is the new trend. Anyone else remember back in the 80s and 90s when the news generally wouldn’t talk about the identity of shooters to avoid people doing it for the fame? Now we pour over their manifestos and pick out their life details hoping the shooter is in the other tribe because somehow that proves……something. I liked the old way better. He was not a peacemaker. He did not seek a sincere exchange of views. He was very snarky. He was adversarial. And when you seem snarky to me that is saying something. He was a guy over 30 still out challenging college students to debates and seeking to humiliate his opponents. He did not exude graciousness and good will. He did not seek to learn or understand. He sought to win in verbal debates which are a terrible way of convincing anyone of anything. The kinds of debates he sought were about rhetorical wordplay and not discussing facts and trying to dig deep into topics. He was an internet debater that sought to win with quips and shallow rhetorical victories. He did not turn into a prince of peace at the moment of death. He sought to divide people and to enflame the ‘faithful’ against their enemies. He didn’t deserve to die for it but being killed also doesn’t mean we have to pretend he was someone in life that he wasn’t.

He didn’t fool everyone. He just stopped with the political rhetoric and gave up his own personal political ambitions. The worrying wasn’t irrational.

I think the flame was instigated by the very evil but also very gay laugh that you indulged in as you sealed the envelope.

Having a differing understanding of the gospel is not a pejorative though is it?

That is just a paraphrase from Yoda.

For a government to act against them? Yes, except in cases of war and the like. Do they get due process before getting punched by a private citizen? Probably not. Said private citizen could be prosecuted for assault though.

So how does this work in practice? They have to stop the fans? Or screen out fans that use chants like this?

One thing I hate about these shootings is the endless harping about how harsh rhetoric causes this. I really don’t think it does. I am not even convinced that political views are the main cause. I suspect that is an easy dodge to avoid talking about systemic issues that are leading to a culture of nihilism and hopelessness. Other liberal democracies have harsh political rhetoric without having a culture of mass shootings and targeted political violence.

I am trying to figure out what you are advocating here for? More staunch verbal interactions? Or throwing weight around in other ways?

That is not the reason we aren’t liked though. It is also self-flattery about being “too nice”. I think being seen as bold is more about ego than anything else. It is the desire to be liked and respected which Jesus warned about. The whole bit about if you were of the world they would love you. Not sure how true it is. Many people who are ‘of the world’ are still disliked and despised.

Only if you cross your eyes and squint really hard and believe people who have lied repeatedly. Also it is not really relevant to the real problem. That wasn’t discovered until after he was sent and returned. I am old-school though on the whole classical liberalism thing and believe that everyone deserves basic human rights and am dubious of people who insist some people don’t deserve a day in court or a chance to defend themselves. Finding some people that don’t deserve the protections of law is an old authoritarian trick. Once you accept that some people don’t you can slide that line wherever you want. Hence the endless quest to convince people that at least some immigrants deserve to have no rights (“they’re eating the pets”). Sending people straight to a foreign gulag so they could pretend they were beyond recovery was cruel, inhuman, and vile. The pushback was extreme because it was wrong. It was Guantanamo on steroids. I am proud of the pushback. We were near to the point where being labeled as a gang member without a day in court or a chance to refute that claim meant that that claim alone was enough to send someone to hellish conditions. This kind of cruelty is shameful and disgusting.

I am surprised that so many seem surprised that other Christians don’t consider us to be one of them. I thought that was well known.

Sounds like a typical displacement thing over a failed relationship. After a bad break-up it is easy to maintain the idea that it would have worked if it wasn’t for those ‘meddling kids and their dog’. In other words a belief she would have accepted him if she wasn’t get pressured by her friends and family. It is easier to hate people you don’t care about than the person you wanted to be with. This lets him tell the story that he and his ex are tragic lovers torn apart by external forces and the external forces must pay.

Considering this administrations willingness to send people convicted of no crimes to a prison in El Salvador you will not be surprised to know that transgender people are terrified of what this rhetoric could lead to. I have transgender friends that have moved to blue states hoping they will be safer. A few have left the country. Some hope it will be temporary. Some don’t have those options and are just trying to lay low and hope for the best. Citizens of a nation fleeing to locales where they are less likely to be persecuted or incarcerated or institutionalized when they haven’t committed any crime is not a sign of a healthy liberal democracy.

Cis men are more dangerous on both an absolute and a per-capita level in terms of committing violence. Picking on transgender people for the few among them that are violent is unfair, insane, and vile. Transgender people are safer then men so why do transgender people need to be singled out for concern? Because propagandists are making it seem like they are a threat? Since the beginning of 2013 there have been 5,748 mass shootings in the United States. 5 of the shooters identified as transgender. And one of those is dicey. That person actually identified as non-binary which is a different thing usually though there can be overlap. That shooting was an attack on a gay bar. There are three others that might have been transgender but nothing to support they were. This still makes transgender people safer on a per capita basis than cis men in general. Again, if anyone needs to be singled out as dangerous to themselves and others it is just men. They do almost all the mass shootings. Ask yourself why there are people out there telling you that transgender people are inherently dangerous when the numbers do not back this up. Why would they lie about this? Source for Numbers: https://www.factcheck.org/2025/09/few-mass-shooters-have-been-transgender/

Reports are that the shooter is a former marine who lived in the area and was reportedly deployed to Iraq. He was an automotive tech. One source gives his medals which appear to be pretty standard. Nothing out of the ordinary. He would have had some combat training but unless something went nuts while he was in Iraq (possible) he probably never saw combat.

First conference in a long time in the midde of an apostolic interregnum?

I don’t like this guy. His main complaint is that people are hating the wrong religion. The bigotry is justified but it just needs to be aimed at the right target? Really?

Yeah, I was thinking civil and not criminal offense. Not sure why I called that a misdemeanor. Will probably blame it on being tired.