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  1. I’m doing my part. I’ve bred six cute little critics. Okay well only two are still little.
  2. Love the concept, but does that fit with “And now, verily I say unto you, I, the Lord, will not lay any sin to your charge; go your ways and sin no more; but unto that soul who sinneth shall the former sins return, saith the Lord your God (D&C 82:7).”
  3. Indeed. The brethren are tired of dodging musket fire from those critics. Those flag waiving, and parade holding critics at BYU. One such critic even had the gall to say “I am a gay child of God” in the holy Marriott center.
  4. In a church that is allergic to using the word gay (there are no gay members of the church, instead they “struggle” with same sex attraction), in a church that calls out a member for publicly declaring “I am a gay child of God”, in a church that spends more time worrying about parents confused by “flag waiving” than its youth struggling with suicidal thoughts, and in a church that finds it “hard to imagine a more difficult circumstance for a parent to face” than a gay child asking to bring his partner in the home for a visit, I see no compromise. Only homophobia.
  5. Wiki has a very well sourced article (unlike Fair’s). Included was a link to this project: https://www.lds-mormon.com/legacies.shtml/ Not sure if facts matter to y’all or not.
  6. Apparently saying “I’m a gay Latter-day Saint” qualifies as unjustified rancor in Elder Holland’s mind.
  7. So in your mind saying I’m a gay Latter-day Saint is the same as saying I’m a racist Latter-day Saint. Got it. Further I was not limiting it to BYU, but if we did, instead of blaming the world, Holland certainly could have called out the guy who oversaw the conversion therapy that occurred there. You know where people had electrodes hooked up to there genitals, and were forced to vomit while watching p*rn. That certainly seems at least as bad as saying “I’m a gay Latter-day Saint” Oh wait that was Elder Oaks.
  8. Elder Holland’s talk is consequential. There are people teaching at BYU who will no longer be teaching there by the end of the year because of this. Lines have been drawn in the sand of what behavior on campus is now unacceptable. Specific and concrete. An amazing and also mostly mundane commencement address was called out specifically as inappropriate. The church speaks in platitudes about “love” and how horrible it is when gay and black people are mistreated (by “the world”) but it’s lack of specifics is telling. Can you think of an example where an individual was called out like Matt Easton for say racism or homophobia? Because I sure can’t and that asymmetry is very telling.
  9. I would be astounded if church leaders have not done an return on investment analysis of its universities. I works be equally astounded if the return in increased faithfulness and hence increased tithing funds didn’t show a net positive return.
  10. Why is saying “I’m gay” viewed as a personal agenda in a loving church? Why is that a personal agenda and not the part about his mom or experiences with the atonement? What does it mean for the gay youth of the church to be told they belong, but talking about their orientation can’t be done?
  11. Have you watched his talk? Was he hijacking it when he talked about Enos and his prayful struggles? The awesomeness of BYU? How his mom who was diagnosed with terminal cancer was able to be there with him? What about when he mentioned being run over by a deer? Only when he said he was gay? Is that something we aren’t allowed to say in a church with an “office of belonging” that “loves” it’s LGBTQ members? Apparently so. The talk was poignant and amazing. (you can tell how upset everyone was at his hijacking by how much applause that line got)
  12. Given that Holland specifically called for musket fire and denounced the flag waving at BYU, is this tweet even out of line:
  13. Well you told me to “read up on it” and I was just reporting what I found. But since you asked: https://journal.interpreterfoundation.org/on-doubting-nephis-break-between-1-and-2-nephi-a-critique-of-joseph-spencers-an-other-testament-on-typology/ https://journal.interpreterfoundation.org/nephis-obsession-or-how-to-talk-with-nephi-about-god/
  14. It appears that out friend J Reuben Ciark of DEZNAT fame loved the violent images in the talk. Nice to have a dog whistle to DezNat and a shut up already faithful Latter-day Saints who share personal experiences about being gay in a commencement address:
  15. Could not agree more. After years and years of struggling with the seed of Mormonism, I thought I was making it work. Sure I had a stacked shelf, a ton of horrible cognitive habits. What a relief it was to put that mental burden down with a paradigm shift to naturalism. Suddenly the world made sense. I get that your experience differs, but it seems the ultimate in arrogance to assume dismissal without bothering on the part of another.
  16. Well you didn’t provide a link, so unfortunately I did some googling. Didn’t find his work, but the Interpreter actually has two scathing reviews of his Isaiah stuff. Seems odd that if he proved the Book of Mormon true, he can’t even convince the folks over at the Interpreter.
  17. Easy to say. Easy to convince those that want to believe. Harder to actually demonstrate. Especially since much of the Isaiah in the Book of Mormon post dates Lehi’s exodus.
  18. Well there was the very creative Zelph (the white Lamanite) story. I would imagine that telling too many stories about the characters would become problematic without significant notes since you wouldn’t want to contradict the revealed text.
  19. Men will be sexually attracted to people (let’s not forget that some men are very visually turned on by other men) they are attracted to period. It’s biology. No amount of anything can stop that. Trying to stop that is unhealthy. Best to accept that, own that, and embrace it. What a guy does with that though is entirely up to him. There is a saying in psychology that what we resist persists. Meaning by denying the feelings themselves they have an outsized place in our brain. Men (and women) need to be taught how to handle the emotions they feel. By acknowledging them, we can let them go. Trying to address the problem by controlling others just doesn’t work because there is no bright line between shorts to the knee and a cloth bag from head to toe. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/evolution-the-self/201606/you-only-get-more-what-you-resist-why How do you manage to go to the beach!?
  20. I’ve got news for you. Covering up body parts doesn’t stop that at all. Why do you think women are banned in public in some countries? The woman in the photo isn’t doing quite enough to help bear their burden is she. I mean look at those feet.
  21. Especially when you consider that even if the unvaccinated might have a larger impact, the chance that they are going to follow cdc guidelines on masking approaches zero. Much easier to convince those that have shown some amount of care towards their fellow humans when your hospitals are overflowing.
  22. So we need to discount Lucy's account because its from 1844. Okay. Isn't the William Smith account from 1883? Why do you spend so much time trying to minimize Lucy's account from 4 decades earlier, but accept William's account at face value? Especially since the context of the William quote shows that he is either contradicting Joseph's first vision account or combining the first vision with Moroni's visits. Interesting how that part got left out. It's also interesting to me that you quote William Smith from New Witness for Christ in America, vol. 2 (Published 70 years ago). Was that done to obscure the original source which is available for free online here:http://www.olivercowdery.com/smithhome/1883Wilm.htm? If so well done. I spent $15 for the kindle version of Volume 2 to track it down (because I was bored).
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