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I think your idea that breath is a gift from God that he can stop giving any second of the day is nonsense and it conflicts with your belief in agency as well as the idea that God won't interfere with anyone's agency. If God can stop you from exercising your agency at any time God feels like it then you really do not have much agency.

It is amazing how after the advent of the modern camara how miracles suddenly pretty much stopped happening.

Well that is a nice sermon and certainly wishful thinking.

Ha! You always catch my frequent typos.

Define a lot. And how much of it is quality evidence which I guess is subjective.

Yes. Religion is plagued by such things. And religious apologetics is flawed from the beginning. It all starts with the premise that what is being defended is absolutely true. Then any "evidence" or arguments that can even slightly provide plausibility it is thus used. I do not know if any other comparably bad methodology for defending something.

I will read the article. The problem of evil and suffering is, in my view, a major philosophical issues for all theistic religions. I have found the LDS view on this as good, if not better than, most other ideas and attempt to answer this problem. But I still find it lacking. I like Paulsen's writings so I will definitely review this.

This is clearly hyperbole and wishful thinking. But it is effective apologetics.

Well I have not been on the board much so I must have missed it. I was simply curious.

Yes.

Why?

I will see if I can find the exact quote for context, or a video clip of it.

you know I recently saw a Christopher Hitchens clip I believe about Jesus and his crucifixion. His point was that Jesus was crucified and it was horrible, but if he was what he claimed he had a sure knowledge that his death was very temporary and he knew if a few days he would be resurrected. So it was not an act of faith or even a giving of a life to save another like perhaps a soldier jumping on a live grenade to save his fellow soldiers. The soldier gave the ultimate. Jesus knew it was a short term thing. Of course from and LDS view he did more than suffer through a crucifixion, which is horrible. He suffered for all our sins in Gethsemane which based on Joseph Smith's claimed revelations, was pretty awful. But the comment by Hitchens did put a different spin on this for me.

The problem of evil and suffering and reconciling such things with a theistic God is one of the top 5 or so reasons I have moved towards a skeptic and agnostic. I wish you the best on your own spiritual journey.

You got it! See you are making progress.🙃😁

Hey I am with ya. Let let consenting adults make their own choices and stay out of their bedrooms. All for it! See we do agree on something. 😛

This seems to trouble you quite a bit. Why is that?

Hello! We have missed you. I participate less here as well. Many regular posters have also left or have reduced participations. I wonder where @smac97has gone? So my question for you say you do not believe the each faith tradition claims or is sure it is correct. And you do not feel that way. So are you open to the possibility that Christianity is not correct? That perhaps there is no theistic God being?

All of your questions and the results were quite interesting. Thank you.

This is an interesting discussion. May I ask, what methods do you use to come to your conclusions that Mormonism is God's best truth? How about coming to the conclusion that there is a God. And do other adherents of other religions use the same method to come to the conclusion that their chosen beliefs are God's best truth? Do they use similar methodologies or different ones?

I am interested in the answers.

Science does not try to disprove God. But religion certainly fails to prove that God exists. It always boils down to faith, some metaphysical testimony gaining experience, it is a mystery and so on and so on.

It really does not matter whether they share methodologies or not does it. From whatever acceptable methods they used, they arrived at similar conclusions did they not?

I saw that Ehrmann video. It was quite amusing.

This is spot on.