Dead Sea Scroll On Display In Slc @ The Leonardo

[nosmelone]

So according to the followng KSL news article sometime this fall the Dead Sea Scrolls will be on display in SLC at the Leonardo. I must admit this is worth making the trip from Arizona to see. Does anyone know off of the top of there head about how long these shows are usually on display for? I know there is debate on the cost for tickets to view but I'm really not to worried about that...just the timing.

http://www.ksl.com/?...&s_cid=queue-22

[Tacenda]

So according to the followng KSL news article sometime this fall the Dead Sea Scrolls will be on display in SLC at the Leonardo. I must admit this is worth making the trip from Arizona to see. Does anyone know off of the top of there head about how long these shows are usually on display for? I know there is debate on the cost for tickets to view but I'm really not to worried about that...just the timing.

http://www.ksl.com/?...&s_cid=queue-22

Why, if you don't mind me asking, is this worth the trip and the unknown cost of a ticket?

[ERayR]

So according to the followng KSL news article sometime this fall the Dead Sea Scrolls will be on display in SLC at the Leonardo. I must admit this is worth making the trip from Arizona to see. Does anyone know off of the top of there head about how long these shows are usually on display for? I know there is debate on the cost for tickets to view but I'm really not to worried about that...just the timing.

http://www.ksl.com/?...&s_cid=queue-22

Probably just some replica. I can't imagine them letting the originals out like that. Besides that I couldn't read them anyway. So I ask, with Tacenda, Why is it worth the trip and the cost?

[Tacenda]

Probably just some replica. I can't imagine them letting the originals out like that. Besides that I couldn't read them anyway. So I ask, with Tacenda, Why is it worth the trip and the cost?

I need to explain my question to Nosmelone...I only asked because I'm having a little tiff over others not being so excited about the DSS much. I'm thrilled that the bible has backup with these scrolls that were in existence when Jesus walked the earth, why am I in the minority so far on the board including you? I noticed I got a rep point, was that you!?!? Sorry if you were under false pretenses somewhat!

ETA: I am on on "limited" therefore unable to see who gives me a rep point on top of not being able to give rep points!

[volgadon]

Probably just some replica. I can't imagine them letting the originals out like that.

This isn't the first time that the originals have toured.

[volgadon]

I need to explain my question to Nosmelone...I only asked because I'm having a little tiff over others not being so excited about the DSS much. I'm thrilled that the bible has backup with these scrolls that were in existence when Jesus walked the earth, why am I in the minority so far on the board including you? I noticed I got a rep point, was that you!?!? Sorry if you were under false pretenses somewhat!

I think you might be counting me among those unexcited, which would be incorrect. The DSS certainly are something to get excited about, if for nothing else, the very virtue of their antiquity makes them cool (I get excited about any ancient manuscript). It isn't every day that you get to see artefacts that old. Sure, they show that the books currently comprising the Hebrew Bible existed by the Hellenistic era, but that was never in serious doubt. The greatest value of the biblical scrolls is that they show a Bible with a still fluid form, and they help us trace the various differences between the different manuscript groups and families.

If we look for artefacts more-or-less contemporary with the Hebrew Bible's composition, we have little more than amulets with a few verses.

[Tacenda]

I think you might be counting me among those unexcited, which would be incorrect. The DSS certainly are something to get excited about, if for nothing else, the very virtue of their antiquity makes them cool (I get excited about any ancient manuscript). It isn't every day that you get to see artefacts that old. Sure, they show that the books currently comprising the Hebrew Bible existed by the Hellenistic era, but that was never in serious doubt. The greatest value of the biblical scrolls is that they show a Bible with a still fluid form, and they help us trace the various differences between the different manuscript groups and families.

If we look for artefacts more-or-less contemporary with the Hebrew Bible's composition, we have little more than amulets with a few verses.

I believe you are, but how much credence do you give them? Below there are two very different reports about them.

http://www.deadseascrolls.org.il/featured-scrolls

http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/books/index.php?bookid=44&chapid=227

When I read the top link I was happy. When I read the bottom link, not so happy. Maybe that is part of the problem with how some on the board look at the DSS.

[volgadon]

I believe you are, but how much credence do you give them? Below there are two very different reports about them.

http://www.deadseasc...eatured-scrolls

http://maxwellinstit...d=44&chapid=227

When I read the top link I was happy. When I read the bottom link, not so happy. Maybe that is part of the problem with how some on the board look at the DSS.

Those aren't so much different approaches as they are different topics. Your first link describes the individual scrolls. The second link answers certain questions about them, reoudiating the once widely-held but wildly inaccurate opinion that the DSS community was Christian. The link is not too dissimilar to what a certain Jewish scholar has to say.

"Regarding the origins of Christianity, the scrolls help us to understand the nature of the approaches to Judaism that existed when Christianity came into being. Much of what may have been previously taken to be foreign influence is now understood to stem from Jewish roots. Further, we can now better understand where Jesus differed from the Jewish groups of his time. Yet no direct links can be shown between Jesus and the scrolls, and, in fact, many substantial differences exist between his teachings and those of the Qumran sect."

http://lawrenceschiffman.com/research/dead-sea-scrolls/

[volgadon]

As for how much credence I give them, what do you mean?

[Calm]

I'm thrilled that the bible has backup with these scrolls that were in existence when Jesus walked the earth

What do you mean by "backup"?

For me the thrill is that they are ancient and what they describe in and of themselves. For whatever reason, I don't see the Bible as needing these as backup...rather they provide more context for the era.

PS: ERayR was the one who gave you the rep point.

[Tacenda]

As for how much credence I give them, what do you mean?

When you said something about them not being an autograph in the other thread, I guess I thought that meant they might not be credible. If that's not what you meant, I apologise.

[Calm]

I guess I thought that meant they might not be credible. If that's not what you meant....

I think that would depend on what type of claim someone makes for them.

That they demonstrate some versions of parts of the Bible that were had at a particular time and place..that is credible, that they demonstrate the essential truth of the Bible by their existence....that would not be a credible claim.

[volgadon]

When you said something about them not being an autograph in the other thread, I guess I thought that meant they might not be credible. If that's not what you meant, I apologise.

Calmoriah said it well, but what I mean is that these aren't autographs of the Bible. They aren't physically written by the original authors themselves. If you were to go into a bookstore today to buy a copy of Hamlet, you wouldn't be buying an autograph, you would be buying a copy.

[ERayR]

This isn't the first time that the originals have toured.

My bad. I just assumed the originals would be too valuable and too fragile to be out of a controlled atmosphere. It isn't that I am not excited about the DSS. I have followed and studied what I could from the time of their discovery. The information that comes from them is indeed exciting. It just doesn't do anything, for me, to file by a table and look at them. On the other hand what is on them is very interesting and exciting.

[nosmelone]

I need to explain my question to Nosmelone...I only asked because I'm having a little tiff over others not being so excited about the DSS much. I'm thrilled that the bible has backup with these scrolls that were in existence when Jesus walked the earth, why am I in the minority so far on the board including you? I noticed I got a rep point, was that you!?!? Sorry if you were under false pretenses somewhat!

ETA: I am on on "limited" therefore unable to see who gives me a rep point on top of not being able to give rep points!

I guess I am just wanting to know how long they will be on display because I have family in the airline business and family in Utah so to me it would be a nice little side note if I make the trip (discounted if I fly of course). Usually if I make a trip to Utah I try to plan it around a Book of Mormon conference or something other than family (I know that sounds mean). Not to mention as an artist I am a very "hands on" type of person so when I can see the originals or physically be in places where historic events happened it brings things to life for me....but than again maybe I'm just weird. I have been reading about the Nag Hammadi texts and the DSS and the Lachish Letters a bit lately so I use this type of stuff to get friends and family around me excited about it as well...but yeah I think it is really cool that they will be on display.