The illustrious* Dr. Mark Alan Wright (Visiting Professor of Ancient Scripture at BYU; PhD, Mesoamerican Archaeology, UC Riverside, 2011) will be giving a presentation about archaeology and the Book of Mormon at the Long Beach East Stake Center (4142 Cerritos Ave, Los Alamitos, CA 90720) at 7pm on August 21st. I'm not sure if the fireside is supposed to be geared only towards YSA or not, but I know many older married folks will be there as well. It's virtually the same presentation I've given here in Utah a couple of times, so no need to book flights if you've already seen it. As it happens, I address many of the issues Coe raised in his recent podcast, but it will not be a direct response or a point-by-point rebuttal in any way. If any of you are able to attend, please come and introduce yourself!
*according to my wife
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Mark Alan Wright Book Of Mormon/Mesoamerica Fireside On Sunday
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Posted 17 August 2011 - 09:33 AM
So you don't give me any more forewarning than that?! How am I supposed to mount any kind of rebuttal by then!
Wish I could be there.
Wish I could be there.
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Posted 17 August 2011 - 10:06 AM
Brant Gardner, on 17 August 2011 - 09:33 AM, said:
So you don't give me any more forewarning than that?! How am I supposed to mount any kind of rebuttal by then!
Wish I could be there.
Wish I could be there.
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Posted 17 August 2011 - 10:27 AM
Hashbaz, on 17 August 2011 - 10:06 AM, said:
If you were there I'd probably just hand the mic to you and let you give the fireside!
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Posted 17 August 2011 - 05:29 PM
Hashbaz, on 17 August 2011 - 08:31 AM, said:
The illustrious* Dr. Mark Alan Wright (Visiting Professor of Ancient Scripture at BYU; PhD, Mesoamerican Archaeology, UC Riverside, 2011) will be giving a presentation about archaeology and the Book of Mormon at the Long Beach East Stake Center (4142 Cerritos Ave, Los Alamitos, CA 90720) at 7pm on August 21st. I'm not sure if the fireside is supposed to be geared only towards YSA or not, but I know many older married folks will be there as well. It's virtually the same presentation I've given here in Utah a couple of times, so no need to book flights if you've already seen it. As it happens, I address many of the issues Coe raised in his recent podcast, but it will not be a direct response or a point-by-point rebuttal in any way. If any of you are able to attend, please come and introduce yourself!
*according to my wife
*according to my wife
I live in a neighboring stake and will make sure it gets publicized- I wouldn't miss it. Unfortunately, all it shows on our stake calendar is "YSA Fireside LBE Stake Center" and the address.
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Posted 17 August 2011 - 06:00 PM
Hashbaz, on 17 August 2011 - 08:31 AM, said:
The illustrious* Dr. Mark Alan Wright (Visiting Professor of Ancient Scripture at BYU; PhD, Mesoamerican Archaeology, UC Riverside, 2011) will be giving a presentation about archaeology and the Book of Mormon at the Long Beach East Stake Center (4142 Cerritos Ave, Los Alamitos, CA 90720) at 7pm on August 21st. I'm not sure if the fireside is supposed to be geared only towards YSA or not, but I know many older married folks will be there as well. It's virtually the same presentation I've given here in Utah a couple of times, so no need to book flights if you've already seen it. As it happens, I address many of the issues Coe raised in his recent podcast, but it will not be a direct response or a point-by-point rebuttal in any way. If any of you are able to attend, please come and introduce yourself!
*according to my wife
*according to my wife
Where have you presented in Utah, and why wasn't I invited?!
(Hope you'll post the announcement here the next time you present in Utah ...) 
P.S.: I'm sure your wife is absolutely right!
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Posted 18 August 2011 - 09:03 AM
Kenngo1969, on 17 August 2011 - 06:00 PM, said:
Where have you presented in Utah, and why wasn't I invited?! (Hope you'll post the announcement here the next time you present in Utah ...)
P.S.: I'm sure your wife is absolutely right!
(Hope you'll post the announcement here the next time you present in Utah ...) P.S.: I'm sure your wife is absolutely right!
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Posted 18 August 2011 - 05:07 PM
I met Mark today, super nice guy. Wish I could go to California!
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Posted 19 August 2011 - 09:53 AM
I enjoyed meeting you at the symposium, Mark. Sorry I'll be missing your fireside, it sounds interesting!
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Posted 19 August 2011 - 11:13 AM
Chris and Joseph, nice meeting both of you. And Chris, I really enjoyed your presentation; well done!
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Posted 20 August 2011 - 07:25 PM
Break a leg, Hashbaz!
Or something like that, or not like that.
Or something like that, or not like that.
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Posted 20 August 2011 - 07:27 PM
Daniel Peterson, on 20 August 2011 - 07:26 PM, said:
Break a leg, Hashbaz!
Or something like that, or not like that.
Or something like that, or not like that.
I take it you want him to break both of his legs?
Or is this a FARMS-style offer you can't refuse?
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Posted 20 August 2011 - 07:29 PM
Stop the comparisons of FARMS to the Mafia. They're too true.
You'll make some of the critics nervous, and that renders them harder to catch.
You'll make some of the critics nervous, and that renders them harder to catch.
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Posted 21 August 2011 - 09:53 PM
oops, wrong thread
Edited by Chris Smith, 22 August 2011 - 08:49 AM.
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Posted 21 August 2011 - 10:33 PM
It was a wonderful fireside, enough to actually get this old linguistic constructivist interested in actual evidence for the BOM which I had no clue existed. I felt that "evidence" was irrelevant, so I never personally invested any time in seeking it out- but Mark definitely has a genius for noticing and documenting Mayan iconographic evidence with Book of Mormon parallels.
I don't know how he does that. It would be like memorizing two different jigsaw puzzles- one is Mayan culture and the other is the BOM- and he sees how the pieces fit somehow. recalling apparently irrelevant details from each and putting them together in an elaborate picture.
As he says, the argument is "death by a thousand cuts"- each little parallel might be interesting independently, but when the totality of it is put together, it all becomes quite a convincing case.
He also gave some hints at some tantalizing articles he is planning. It really was a pretty remarkable fireside, with a long Q&A session at the end.
Excellent stuff
I don't know how he does that. It would be like memorizing two different jigsaw puzzles- one is Mayan culture and the other is the BOM- and he sees how the pieces fit somehow. recalling apparently irrelevant details from each and putting them together in an elaborate picture.
As he says, the argument is "death by a thousand cuts"- each little parallel might be interesting independently, but when the totality of it is put together, it all becomes quite a convincing case.
He also gave some hints at some tantalizing articles he is planning. It really was a pretty remarkable fireside, with a long Q&A session at the end.
Excellent stuff
Edited by mfbukowski, 21 August 2011 - 10:37 PM.
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Posted 21 August 2011 - 10:39 PM
Oh-
And he says Bokovoy does killer barbecue.
And he says Bokovoy does killer barbecue.
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Posted 21 August 2011 - 11:36 PM
mfbukowski, on 21 August 2011 - 10:33 PM, said:
It was a wonderful fireside, enough to actually get this old linguistic constructivist interested in actual evidence for the BOM which I had no clue existed. I felt that "evidence" was irrelevant, so I never personally invested any time in seeking it out- but Mark definitely has a genius for noticing and documenting Mayan iconographic evidence with Book of Mormon parallels.
I don't know how he does that. It would be like memorizing two different jigsaw puzzles- one is Mayan culture and the other is the BOM- and he sees how the pieces fit somehow. recalling apparently irrelevant details from each and putting them together in an elaborate picture.
As he says, the argument is "death by a thousand cuts"- each little parallel might be interesting independently, but when the totality of it is put together, it all becomes quite a convincing case.
He also gave some hints at some tantalizing articles he is planning. It really was a pretty remarkable fireside, with a long Q&A session at the end.
Excellent stuff
I don't know how he does that. It would be like memorizing two different jigsaw puzzles- one is Mayan culture and the other is the BOM- and he sees how the pieces fit somehow. recalling apparently irrelevant details from each and putting them together in an elaborate picture.
As he says, the argument is "death by a thousand cuts"- each little parallel might be interesting independently, but when the totality of it is put together, it all becomes quite a convincing case.
He also gave some hints at some tantalizing articles he is planning. It really was a pretty remarkable fireside, with a long Q&A session at the end.
Excellent stuff
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Posted 22 August 2011 - 07:39 AM
Hashbaz, on 21 August 2011 - 11:36 PM, said:
It was great meeting you! Glad you could make it.
It really did change my perspective on the BOM considerably- so as I understand you, you see the Nephites as perhaps a culture integrated into the larger sphere of Mayan culture perhaps almost as we LDS are integrated into our respective international cultures- the "Lamanites" being those we might see as "in the world"- kind of an "us v.s. them" perspective?
Did I get that part close to right?
Edited by mfbukowski, 22 August 2011 - 07:43 AM.
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Posted 22 August 2011 - 10:51 AM
mfbukowski, on 21 August 2011 - 10:33 PM, said:
He also gave some hints at some tantalizing articles he is planning. It really was a pretty remarkable fireside, with a long Q&A session at the end.
Sadly, I was compelled to attend a Seminary fireside and couldn't attend. It sounds like it was very interesting.
So, did any "heartlanders" make an appearance during the Q&A?
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