Church chooses profits over principles

[Bernard Gui]

On 7/23/2021 at 9:29 PM, Maureen said:

Even if the barley was used (by Coors) to make beer, it doesn't go against your own scripture that says that it is fine if barley is used "for mild drink". Your leaders may preach against the use of barley for mild drink (aka beer), but your scriptures don't.

M.

Our leaders are entitled and authorized to interpret and enforce our scriptures as they are led by the Lord. The Word of Wisdom is a prime example as it has proven adaptable to all the changing societal situations since 1833.

[Bernard Gui]

On 8/7/2021 at 1:24 AM, Islander said:

The issue get muddied when Church members form a majority in places like Utah and Idaho. The tendency to try and run the government like a theocracy is just too appealing. But that is a colossal mistake. We are not to force our morality, way of life and practices on others. In fact, that is not done anywhere else in the Western world. Such imposition breeds resentment and animosity from the rest of the world. There is no mandate in the scriptures to change society. Our calling is to change the individual, to be the means and ready instruments of salvation to the mass of humanity on the edge of the abyss.

In Titus 3 the Apostle Paul counsels: "Put them in mind to be subject to principalities [governments] and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work, to speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men. For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another."

We are not to get entangled in politics, revolts or civic disobedience. We are not to attempt to force others to conform to our morality, behaviors or beliefs. They don't know God or do not care. But we are to treat all people with courtesy, kindness and  love. Keeping in mind that some of us were just as wicked before our salvation. We must be a true example of the believer by the love that radiates through us, pursuing a peaceful existence of service and dedication to the welfare of our neighbors. The business world is not our world. We should just render to Cesar what is Cesar's and to God what is God's.

 

It is unreasonable to expect the Saints to abandon control of their moral and political environment when they are in the rare position of being a majority. The reason the Saints fled to Utah was to establish a haven in which they could freely live their religion without having to impose it on others or suffer others to impose theirs on them. This has been the way of God’s people since the Creation. Today we have few havens to which we can flee. After trying in vain to change the forceful decline of society in Washington state, we fled to Kentucky. 

Edited August 16, 2021 by Bernard Gui

[Bernard Gui]

On 8/7/2021 at 11:14 AM, JLHPROF said:

The separation of Church and society/government.  Theocracy is part of the Millennial prophecies.  And I'm not convinced it's that far away.  Maybe a couple of decades.

From your computer to God’s ears.

[Amulek]

12 hours ago, echelon said:

What I don't understand is a Church that not only tempts others to do exactly what it clearly disapproves of from its own members, but also enables them to do so by making it accessible. 

What are you talking about here? Engaging in commerce on the Sabbath? I mean, that's one of the few things the church has spoken about as being something we ought to try and avoid in order to keep from breaking the Sabbath, yet operating a hotel certainly "tempts" or "enables" people to do just that.

And if you think having a bar in a hotel is "tempt[ing]" and "enabl[ing]," I can only imagine how shocked and horrified you must be when you reflect on the fact that they give coffee away...FOR FREE!!!

 

[Tacenda]

Is this bad news for the mall?

KSL NewsRadio

14h  · 

 

HEADS UP: The Disney store in City Creek Mall, Salt Lake City, Utah, will be CLOSING on September 15th, 2021.

City Creek is one of 52 stores to close its doors, and only 25 out of 300 stores remain open.

Edited August 24, 2021 by Tacenda

[Amulek]

16 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Is this bad news for the mall?

[...]

HEADS UP: The Disney store in City Creek Mall, Salt Lake City, Utah, will be CLOSING on September 15th, 2021.

City Creek is one of 52 stores to close its doors, and only 25 out of 300 stores remain open.

No, but it's understandable how you might think that - given how tortured / (intentionally) confusing this is worded.

The "25 out of 300 stores" to remain open are referring, specifically, to Disney stores (link), not to stores at City Creek Mall in general - of which, by way of information, there are only around 110, not 300.

When Disney leaves, the property managers will simply fill that retail space with another vendor (and likely already have).

 

[Tacenda]

1 minute ago, Amulek said:

No, but it's understandable how you might think that - given how tortured / (intentionally) confusing this is worded.

The "25 out of 300 stores" to remain open are referring, specifically, to Disney stores (link), not to stores at City Creek Mall in general - of which, by way of information, there are only around 110, not 300.

When Disney leaves, the property managers will simply fill that retail space with another vendor (and likely already have).

 

At first glance I thought that's what it said, but I read a few more times and understand it's just the Disney store, but know a lot of people that shop there specifically to shop at the Disney store. But think you're probably right, and they may even put a more popular store in. 

[Logan]

How would not serving alcohol at a church owned hotel be forcing our values on others?

Guests can still purchase and consume alcohol somewhere else in town. 

Should we all keep a case of beer and some instant coffee in our homes for when a nonmember neighbor stops by,  so we aren't forcing our values on others? 

[Logan]

While beer is a barley drink it is not a "mild" barley drink. 

An example of a mild barley drink is Pero.